S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)

#26 · date not recorded

The Briggs Magnetron only fires a spark gap as maximum 16,000 volts. I tested this recently as (3kv per millimeter gap.) As 5 1/2 mm gap max in open air . No more. The system is lacking the higher volts for the proper plasma path for amps to pass through spark plug. The back EMF of a coil parts and parts for a capacitor charge and discharge would not fit into the deli tub as used originally in the 2008 you tube videos of 18HP running on water in carb. Therefore, what was used in 2008, was a pulse step up transformer somewhat similar to the S1R9A9M9 magnetic coils would fit along side it, along with a few other small parts. I even had added narrow Neodymium magnets glued on over top of my own flywheel magnet on 12HP to get greater field strength. Of course, a car ignition coil could substitute , but not wanted, since the free energy spinning magnet runs the ignition coil (original type) Magnetron autotransformer. Armature gap was about .012" to flywheel. A higher field in theory, would generate higher volts in primary, which generates higher than -130 volts back EMF to run the secondary of auto transformer, but of course would slightly adjust the timing. That did not work for > 16kv. I just built the step up type unit recently.

russrHHO

#27 · date not recorded

Dec 1, 2023, I just built the step up type transformer recently. It is not an autotransformer. This one is a small pulse type with 4 terminals. It uses the Amazon ferrite set with bobbin called E I 40 with hand wound wires 15 turns and 60 turns for 1:4 ratio, and needs to be tested , so as proper 24kv plasma path would be available for the following 6 amps through spark plug. The Primary would spark to ground with 2mm 6kv spark gap . By the way, this would also fit inside the plastic deli tub like Nathren used in 2008 with the S1R coils assembly and relay, spark gap, diodes, etc.

russrHHO

#28 · date not recorded

Updates - notes not given before, - for those following this project. The S1R9A9M9 triple wires assembly was an ELECTROMAGNET serving 2 purposes. The field over the spark plug wire causes the required extension of spark time from TDC to about -late 34 degrees timing. (Mower engines have no timing adjustments) This also provides the needed magnetic field at the plug tips in the combustion chamber. Spark AND CURRENT is on from power supply for about 34% duty cycle. Flywheel goes around until the next firing of 1-cylinder engine 66% off time. The electromagnet is 100% on at about 4.5 draw amps from battery, hooked through it to ground adjust resistor. The original 2008 demonstration used 10 amps through plug. The Georgia technicians that converted several cars and tractor, all used 6-7 amps. Therefore, the circuit now uses adjust 100W resistor for setting of 6 amps. Total battery draw from isolated power supply, including electromagnet and fans, is about a conservative 15 -20 amp fuse. The 2008 demonstration of 18HP Briggs was started with battery, battery disconnected, and engine ran on the under flywheel alternator. Alternator was maximum 15 amps with bridge rectifier, no v regulator. W = E X I. E /R =I. The 2 analog meters were replaced with single, dual digital E + I meter which registers faster than analog with needle, and much cheaper. Diode string protection of power supply done with 2 parallel FR607 fast diodes. 15 diodes is about 2 ohms loss and 10.5V drop loss. The diodes assembly is mounted vertical on top of horizontal .3A fan facing upward in plastic chute. (Heat removal). 500W Inverter used with single metal diode on heatsink for half wave rectification and about 35 volts pulsing DC. The differing ohms resistances in series with water cell spark plug needs to be configured for 6 amps. There was question about the low 6-15KV output of mower engine coil to satisfy the requirement of plasma path needed. The car engines has HEI much higher voltage which allowed the extra amps to pass through the spark plug. The earlier car conversions and Briggs 18HP all had included special relay per cylinder use. Took about 3 months to determine and build replacement in sealed vacuum box ACCESSORY spark gap with N+S magnets, inductor 1.5mh diode inductor 1.5mh and diode. The entrance of the high voltage is exactly at the cathode of the center ON diode. Diode shuts off, High v presses, returns back and onward to spark plug. This releases Tesla's radiant Energy from the diode that passes on down to spark plug, aided by vacuum. This notion is probably what was used causing a successful 2008 You tube S1R9A9M9 demonstration. They had converted a 4 cyl tractor to water in carb also which used the relays , Inverter , and existing ignition coil that was the same 15kv as the Briggs engine!!!!!! Therefore an extra plasma path source was not needed. The radiant energy expulsion takes the place of extra plasma path. I had recently made an assembly for a separate plasma path if needed with a 15KV coil , to allow 6 amps to pass.150W 220v dc converter charging 47uf 400v low esr capacitor through 60 ohm resistor to form time constant discharge with 120ohm resistor. T = R X C as 63% charge and discharge as plasma path with the 15KV. Main power supply also hooks in. The extra spark gap insures the final spark gap fires.The original Chevy V8 converted , had ignition coil in distributor cap changed primary wires around so that only positive high voltage was used. I am using a DUAL CABLES Briggs Magnetron- the modern type with universal epoxied trigger, - not a Briggs trigger. This one is not an autotransformer. The secondary wiring is not connected to the primary side. One cable goes to ground so that other cable is FULL POSITIVE high volts as used for the project. There is a one amp diode string 15kv for postive ignition coil. The 2 adjustable 100w power Ohmite brand resistors are mounted vertical. The Electromagnet is mounted vertical. The modified electromagnet has steel long screw with plastic pull head and inside vinyl tube so as can be pulled upward for timing adjustment of engine. Nathren only said to adjust the number of lower turns. 7 turns 90 degree wind upper, with lower 13 turns 14 gauge wire .The upper has no core on 7t. Pulling upward removes the core so as less magnetic field over HiV wire. Now you see how it's done. See Internet photo of S1R9A9M9 coils as (4) wire ends. Back then, mineral water from a property spring was used on all engine carburetors. Hydrogen gas is generated as spark plug electrolysis, fired and forming water vapor pressure along with the hydrogen. This was their invention back in 2005-2012. Website shut down but you can see again Nathren's 2008 2 Youtube videos of Mower engine running on water in carburetor. Questions??

russrHHO

#29 · 21 Jan 2024

In Georgia 2005-20012, three technicians ran car engines on MINERAL water in carbs 6-7 amps electrolysis from half-wave DC of 400W inverter and inductor coils, diodes, etc. The zero ohms spark plug passes electrolysis 6 amps using higher voltage inductive ignition. 4 cylinder tractor, (2) V8 Chevy engines, 4 cylinder pinto, and On YouTube video for 2008 a Briggs 18HP engine running idle on water only. There was an electromagnet forming field 4.5A over plug wire, and the necessary field carries on to the combustion chamber. The lawn mower battery was disconnected after starting. The under flywheel magnets powered the Briggs at 15 amps max with bridge rectifier. See S1R9A9M9 mower engine running on water. The generation of Hydrogen and firing, and production of water vapor pressure both ran the engines. This was their discovery. All have accessory spark gap and insures final gap fires. E.G.R has to be applied to get the added Nitrogen embedded in the expelled water from compression. Working on bench set up to duplicate. 1978 El Camino 18MPG at much lowered power. Mower engine easier to work with. (The increased efficiency may have to do with Radiant Energy expelled from series line diode when POSITIVE High V enters exactly after cathode. The ON diode shuts off, the High V presses there, then reverses to fire the spark plug. R E follows to spark plug tips as the inductors and diode were IN VACUUM CHAMBER) So now you know!

Steve

#30 · 22 Jan 2024

"The generation of Hydrogen and firing, and production of water vapor pressure both ran the engines.""
I agree on that this might work

russrHHO

#31 · date not recorded

Now looking into part numbers for stainless steel (marine) spark plugs for small engines. The Champion Brand sometimes has a removable top, so as the resistor or wire coil suppressor can be removed, and replaced with copper segment wire. A zero ohms spark plug is needed, that does not rust and add ohms resistance to the series current passing through it. The normal steel type tips corrode and reduce efficiency with mineral water added. The negative ground tip extension is preventing current flow on the meter. Baking soda water with eye dropper will be bench tested for use with SS plug. Nathren from Georgia, (S1R9A9M9) used mineral water gathered from stream on the property and was used on all previous engine conversions 2005-2012.

russrHHO

#32 · 27 Jan 2024

The gasoline vapor carb effect, as from a LAWN MOWER carb change on car engine referenced, has nothing to do with 2005-2012 S1R9A9M9 and the 2 technicians in Georgia who successfully converted the Briggs lawnmower engine to run on water. (water vapor pressure + hydrogen gas from spark plug electrolysis) His 1978 Chevy V8 converted was on 18MPG water only before the water in gas tank was rebuilt as steel box collecting the Nitrogen embedded water exhaust for reuse. This then went to way higher gas mileage and smoothed out the engine running. The special, rare relays they used can't be purchased as discontinued traffic signal lights electromagnetic switching type relay in pole boxes, so as a separate Electromagnet was hand built to be used with inductors and diodes for same effect. (On cars and lawnmower) The Dayton brand inductors 1.5 Millihenry at #18gauge magnet wire on plastic insulated bobbin can be purchased from Parts Express and must be used with fast recovery diodes capable of 6 amps such as FR607. I had an Email message back + forth, years back, from a man who had duplicated Nathren's set up with inductor and special wound S1R9A9M9 electromagnet. I had asked specific questions, but he only replied carefully as - "YOU WILL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED"

The auto and mower engines were said to start and run as is, at lower idle speed only. If power mode is desired, the main jet in carbs have to be redrilled out 33% larger hole to get more water to pass, and get more Hydrogen + water vapor pressure generated. The cars had adjustable distributor timing. The Briggs engines require electromagnet field and / or special curved, slotted, non-magnetic aluminum plate mounted for sliding adjustable timing of Ignition Magnetron. (too much trouble to make just for 2 YouTube videos, summer 2008.

Many times in the web forum, it said 100 volts and 6-7 amps necessary. I thought it was a misprint. 5 times?? Maybe it was a reference to the 400W inverter box for 110v ac that was changed to half-wave DC. There was no explanation. However, we do know about back EMF and flyback voltage . The reverse polarity push and current from a wire inductor has to pass THROUGH a diode ANODE. I then looked up the actual circuit used on all those car engines in Georgia. There is an outside parallel diode across the 2 inductors. I had originally also thought that the diode was added to sabotage any future duplication of engine circuit, (paid informer) The main power would just go through the outside diode , passing by the inductors and center diode. However, that may probably be a SECOND PULSE forward. The high volts has to go in exactly at the cathode of the center diode between the inductors.

Maybe we can get 100 volts going forward through spark plug from inductor? That requires extreme fast turn off pulse. Formula E = L X di /dt Volts-Henry-amps-second. The spark is fast and the trigger transistor inside magnetron is fast.

There were also several statements regarding The S1R9A9M9 triple coils assy that in operation with ignition, there is a leakage inductance voltage transfer from high volts side to low volts side of about 140 volts. Could this have been utilized? The high line side was bare copper #12 wire. The low V side over steel core electromagnet from 12v battery was #14 insulated hook up wire. There were also 2 fools who had grabbed a hold of their #14 wires and shocked themselves. A pre-designed in Superimposed higher volts over lower volts?

The full wattage is not drawn from the Inverter because the flywheel going around mower engine only fires spark-plug as aboiut 34 % duty cycle with electromagnet.

Something was going on back then. Nathren was hassled by thugs on the road with guns, harassed, and property oil tank had bullet holes, He had legal problems also, and was jailed for a time. Neighbors moved away, wife divorced him and address in Georgia no good any more. (water for fuel?

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Steve

#33 · date not recorded

Interesting stuff, specially about the carbs on water and the specific 33% increase of the hole.......

russrHHO

#34 · 31 Jan 2024

Now working on correcting the (2) inductors so as similar to the two contained in the original dual coil relays as used in Georgia 2005-2012.
Data as .66 ohm, 1.75Millihenry,( 60 cycles AC traffic signal switching relay) and #18 gauge wire to carry 6-7 amps DC.
The Dayton brand type as 8 millihenry, from Parts Express will change to 1.75millihenry with a #10-;24 steel screw 2 1/2" long, in center + 2 washers, nuts.
No cutting of existing magnet wire. ( center laminations removed out) This can then give possible resonance at 60 cycles to 60 cycles half-wave DC from Inverter box input power.

Next level is bench test to obtain coil L back EMF of minimum 100 volts to add forward to spark plug firing the 6 amps at about 34v DC.
The S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly also gives leakage inductance 100v from high volts side to low volts side and flashes neon bulb.
This voltage was mentioned in the original web forum.
They said power required was 100 volts and 6-7 amps through zero ohms spark plug with mineral water. (superimposed 100v)
Stainless steel spark plug marine type has about 27 ohms, internal coil as yet to be removed from top screw cap, and replaced with #12 copper wire piece.
(Champion brand plugs come apart at top.) The higher voltage makes faster hydrogen generated at tiny electrodes of the spark plug.

russrHHO

#35 · 13 Feb 2024

I recently rebuilt the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly using a stronger copper #10 gauge wire, as the spiral frame that holds the 90 degree insulated windings. This electromagnet is an unusual hand wind, and was used in conjunction with the demonstration test of Briggs 18HP mower engine on mineral water only in 2008. (See also photo of the similar -S1R9A9M9 Megatran The magnetic field in the combustion chamber comes from the bare wire having magnetic induction. The 6-7-10 amps comes from battery as start, then the alternator was actually running the show with bridge rectifier added. The set up must adhere to several purposes. Magnetic field to spark plug, retarded timing by means of magnetic field, battery current flows THROUGH spark plug, and influence of 90 degrees wind that adds interference to the high voltage attempting to back up to the battery as safety hazard. (They didn't use at the time, a one way protection diodes bank.) I estimated hydrogen fuel spark plug electrolysis and water vapor pressure generated from 10 A + 4.5 Amp from the alternator maximum output of 14.5 amps full wave DC. No voltage regulator for idle RPM. The electromagnet was to be always ON. The main power amps was no more than 34% duty cycle. This 2008 Youtube demonstration was the replacement for not using the non available obsolete dual coil relays and DC to AC inverter box. Power circuit resistance is required to not have shorting, and after careful research, the same cars circuit was most likely included as - diode, coil, diode, coil, diode, parallel diode, to spark plug. This allows for actual ohms as required and also possible Radiant Energy as in my prior notes. My design includes the same exact inductors values as was done in Georgia of 2005-2012 as 60 cycles resonant, as with the 60 cycles Inverter half wave DC used. I need a short reply, so as I know someone is also following this data.

Steve

#36 · 13 Feb 2024

I am following it....

The trick with that engine was to get a bit of electrolysis continue going and sparking when needed.
I do remember that video where that red engine was puffing and a little bit was running.

Can your share some pics of your build?

Thanks for sharing!

Steve

russrHHO

#37 · date not recorded

Work bench photos Project divided into 6 stages. The paragraph data typed in did not go through. Computer glitches.

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Steve

#38 · 14 Feb 2024

do you have test engine as well?
Thanks for sharing the pics!
You are very organized

fastimports3

#39 · 17 Feb 2024

Love the build you have nice to see people are still working on it. Can anyone video edit some YouTube videos for me. I can show you the import parts of the video from the last guy that was killed for running his car on water. The fact that none of the people I’m upset with and even a few I’m not upset with don’t have one yet amazes me. I live in a shed in parents back yardon $950 a month with debt consuming me and mental health and diabetes literally trying to pull me out and kill any idea of hope to break free and succeed to prove to myself and enjoy the simple high one gets when people smile because you fixed something they love that’s either was broken or they were just frustrated in trying to figure it out. It’s the magicians tada. Anyways let me know and here u go.

https://www.iflscience.com/nuclear-fusion-spark-plug-created-in-new-technical-breakthrough-72974

The Fastimports3 Plasma System (yes I stole their words because starting with Arvind I believe this group stole a few things from me. Actually I can prove it if I needed to) works by condensing megawatts of power into nanosecond pulses of plasma created from ionizing the air around the plug’s electrodes; that’s the power of six semitrucks released hundreds of times faster than the speed of lightning.

https://www.wired.com/story/is-lightning-fast-plasma-the-key-to-a-cleaner-car-engine/

Here’s an article on it. PS.. while it says nothing about being mine I am claiming it. This is my system and if S1R9A9M9 were to claim it as his I would admit yes it is I learned from you Thank you and why did you stop never give up. However the above have never humbled themselves as to so much even say thank you or offer a real job so I can move out and enjoy life or even add my name to a patent so I can say at least hey I did something while I was there that made a difference. Every time I see how awesome this really was and I couldn’t do anything about so I gave it away hoping for help. I became sad disappointed believing people are better than this. This project has so much money involved in a return that even a person who made false claims to be the i vendor should still get a living sum so they can enjoy the rest of their life and if they can build have the opportunity to make something awesome of their own and not make a claim to fame on the works of others. Be humble.

Steve

#40 · 22 Feb 2024

Hello my friends,

I have looked in my personal archive and found a lot of stuff about the water engine of S1R9.
I thought i should share it with you...

cheers!

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Steve

#41 · 22 Feb 2024

more videos

videoplayback (12).mp4 videoplayback (13).mp4 videoplayback (14).mp4

Steve

#42 · 22 Feb 2024

and another one

videoplayback (15).mp4 videoplayback (16).mp4 videoplayback (17).mp4

russrHHO

#43 · 27 Feb 2024

Multiple "lower volts" neon bulbs voltmeter, <1000v, can be used for testing the cross leakage induction volts, that's transferred from S1R9A9M9 coils assembly, and in series with "power low volts" line going to spark plug. This was to add minimum 100 volts to the power supply, so that proper gases evolution is allowed for electrolysis and Hydrogen gases formed at those tiny electrodes. The other photo is my current version of S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly that provides several functions at the same time, as per the original one made by Nathren in Georgia from 2008. The 3rd photo IS this original, unusual, hand wound electromagnet - triple wires assembly. Steel core under 13 turns #14 as special wind, and 7 turns 90 degrees special wind #14 on 5 turns #12 plus 1 line, bare copper wire with no core. (See tap joint point with frayed wire ends, on coils , where wire connection was done to ground with resistor, so as electromagnet is always on, creating magnetic field that travels to spark plug tips.) The engine timing is adjustable during starter use, by adjusting the center core of inductance- one of my improvements. The two Youtube S1R9A9M9 videos of Briggs 18HP engine running - idling- on mineral water in carb, from 2008, is available for viewing and storing on computer.

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russrHHO

#44 · 27 Feb 2024

A quick bench test was done to test the old document regarding the S1R triple coils assembly. A neon bulb NE-2 was placed across the 2 end insulated wires to test for 100 volts coming from leakage induction from the bare copper wire under the S1R coils. The bulb did light up when the ignition was fired to spark plug. I had read way earlier that others had grasped the 2 wires and had gotten shocked.

The old documents also said that about 100 volts and 6-7 amps WAS REQUIRED- through the spark plug for the mineral water conversion of an engine. The other document was called the "60 turns coil test". 60 turns insulated wire over plug cables used to assist the 6-7 amps to spark plugs. Not tested as yet. A bench test could be done without an engine first. 2 spark plugs bench mounted as 1st to fire with ignition only. This gets the required magnetic field for the Briggs mower engine timing change and the cylinder process. The 2nd plug gets the amps , the low voltage, and the needed minimum 100 volts. There are 8 methods to do this, but the one done in 2008 was not exact talked about. The plastic tub mounted on the side of the Briggs engine of the 2 Youtube videos, was to hold the majority of added parts. To get 15 amps or higher output, a bridge rectifier would have to be used with the alternator. That type of rectification is not pulsing DC as with one diode. Pulsing DC can run a hand wound step up voltage autotransformer. Magnet wire wound on outside of the Magnetron could also generate the 100v as another secondary winding with diode. AN inductor 1.75 Millihenry was included and may have provided a back EMF of over 100v. This would be SUPERIMPOSED over the low 12-35volts DC. The same ground is used. The spark plug small electrodes IS THE WATER electrolysis cell. Untested as yet for bubbling action gases evolved. Water vapor pressure also contributed to piston compression.

For example, flashlight battery 1.5v turns on light of 1.5v bulb. When 2nd battery 1.5v is added in series, the bulb is twice as bright because of the 3 volts total. Therefore, if the engine conversion power supply 12-36v DC is in series with the safety diode + insulated wires turns from the triple S1R9A9M9 coils, the total voltage to spark plug is approximately greater or equal to 140 volts DC. DC is required to make hydrogen fuel from water. The tiny plug tips in combustion chamber need way higher voltage to get FASTER Hydrogen gas generated. The salt water droplets from eye dropper added to plug tips on bench test, forms ohms resistance electrical load electrolysis cell that reduces the first preset 6 amps on current gauge, down to .1amp. Therefore, much higher voltage is required to get the same 6-7 amps ,-----------JUST AS THEY SAID MANY TIMES IN THE WEB FORUM!!

Many years back, there were 2 other people confirming their wiring conversion DID operate their engine on water in carburetor at idle speed. The running engines on mineral water in carburetors was the successful 3 Georgia technicians' shop work done 2005-2012, and written up in the now closed web forum.

russrHHO

#45 · 27 Feb 2024

I finally got around to test the spark plug that was used in Nathren's Briggs mower water engine demonstration from YouTube 2008. The 18 HP normally used a long reach 4000 ohm plug. I proved it was possible to send 10 amps through the replacement that was used back then. The electromagnet to ground had about 4.5 amps draw 100% duty cycle, while the spark plug firing of 0 degrees to neg late timing 34 degrees was about 34% on time of 10 amps draw. The engine was self running as after the battery was disconnected, the 12 MAGNETS powered alternator provided about 15 amps with bridge rectifier added at idle speed.
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Steve

#46 · 27 Feb 2024

well done! Good stuff.

russrHHO

#47 · date not recorded

The "Smack" You tube video reference mentioned was about him draining out fluid from the Briggs engine, way after 2008. There was antifreeze mixed with oil + small amount of gasoline. Nathren did add all that ahead of time when the Federal agents were coming to his property to investigate free energy claims. He didn't want to deal with them and get in trouble with national claims on You tube. They smelled the gas, and then were satisfied and left. The engine was then, left in his garage as is, until Smack showed up. To travel 1000 miles, he made too many mistakes while he was there with the engine, that I noticed. - Not a qualified engine man or investigator.

There were, many years back, written statements I found as to 2 other people who had duplicated the S1R engine conversion, and their engines had idled on water in the carburetor. - (Hydrogen + water vapor pressure) A wire inductor 1 millihenry was included in circuit. Another statement I received back, did not give exacting details, but said,-- "YOU WILL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED" - which I took as another positive response!

The S1R9A9M9 triple wires coils assembly is an ELECTROMAGNET with extension coil . (Not transformer) The 13 turns coil with core, magnetic field is always on, 100% duty cycle, while the 7 turns coil (with no magnetic core), waits for the high voltage pulse to fire spark plug. The included other inductor is charged, it's following diode is ON, and then the high V. pulse hits the diode cathode shutting it off. The pulse reverts back ,and fires plug. The main 10 amps then goes through plug with ALSO the greater than 100 volts in addition to the battery volts. You see, the S1R coil also gives off cross leakage induction voltage that is in series with main power. In a regular low efficiency electrolysis cell at low volts, it depends on large square inches of electrode area for amps allowed and amount of gases released. The spark plug tips are way smaller electrodes and require way higher voltage to get FASTER gases evolution. This is what the Georgia 3 technicians came up with during 2005-2012..
There are 7 methods to get higher volts to ADD to spark plug. Many parts were in the plastic tub hanging on side of Briggs engine. A small autotransformer same size as S1r coils would also fit in the tub. The web forum mentioned car engines paragraph about 60 turns over spark plug cables for induction into the amps line.The original sealed relay physical size, with 2 coils and diode that was used on all car engines,also fits in the tub. It is now assumed that the S1r coils formed the required magnetic field for spark plug and also at the same time provided the needed 100 volts. The 100 volts was mentioned many times in the web forum. They said the cylinder "process" carries over to the next revolution of piston. The mineral water is conductive and is sustained.

.If you watch S1R9A9M9 video 1 again at low speed , you can see the 3 wires from engine top going down into plastic tub to the other parts. The white #12 gauge wire at bottom of tub takes the High V, the low V, and 100v , and 10 amps to spark plug. (Inside the tub, the amps wire is connected to the High V wire) -- Nathren said so. The ground connection for ELECTROMAGNET comes from the added extension cord connected to ground exactly at plug, and the other end of the " V" to the plastic tub. The cord male plug end is breached together. The starter motor is used for starting engine. Then battery is completly removed. Alternator is running on 12 magnets and provides about 14.5 amps total current requiring bridge rectifier, divided into 10A + 4.5Amp.

There were no safety factors installed on the 2008 circuit and the 2 operators were in danger of battery acid expulsion. JUST after the videos came out, several others got hurt trying to duplicate system . That's when Nathren and his son also Nathren ,changed the drawings and writeups so as circuit would not work. The following Youtube video of back porch same engine attempt failed on purpose as not being connected properly. His other video had to do with taking apart the S1R coils on bench, instead of showing how to put one together. HE EVEN REMOVED THE STUB WIRE IN JOINT SO AS WE COULD NOT SEE IT AS A CONNECTION TO GROUND, AND RETAPED UP JOINT AS ONLY 2 WIRES INSTEAD OF 3. The last video was engine tare down to repair and clear up the STUCK VALVES. Smack never tested the Briggs 18HP engine in the first place, to see if it would even run on gasoline!!!!!!!!!! HE NEVER TESTED IT, ------THERE WAS NO COMPRESSION!!! Of course the engine at that exact time could not run on water! (Right after the earlier two 2008 demonstrations of water running the engine, it was immediately put in garage to rust up- it was not cleaned. )

Hydrogen fires extremely fast and requires late negative timing ATDC. The Electromagnet magnetic field formed, OVER PLUG WIRE BARE COPPER produces a continuous spark from 0 degrees to minus 34 degrees before shutting off . It was just easier for the 3 technicians to make a wire coil than do machining for aluminum curved bracket with curved slot for relocating BRIGGS ignition Magnetron for manual adjustment of timing , like on the old engines of movable distributors. You got it now?

russrHHO

#48 · date not recorded

In the past, there has been controversy regarding whether or not the photograph of S1R triple coils assembly from 2008 was hokey- fake, because of the highly unusual winding of the wires. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER DIFFERENT ONE THAT WAS REALLY USED FOR THE FAMOUS 2 YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF 2008. Please refer to the photo of earlier messages. I had made many versions of it over a considerable amount of time. Recently I looked at this in a different light. There are 3 reasons I believe that one SHOWN was the original , and was actually used during the two 2008 successful demonstrations of Briggs 18HP mower engine that ran on mineral water in carburetor.

Get this -- (1) First we were told that the coils had electromagnet that was on all the time. That means a wire had to hook to ground for completed circuit. There was an external extension cord that connected to ground, if the male plug was bridged together. The photo of coils actually shows a wire cut off with frayed ends. SEE The PHOTO FOR THE JOINT, it has 3 wires together with black electrical tape. The unit was removed from plastic tub on side of engine and taken into house for photo to put on Nathren's web forum. Nathren later said he was going to show another video of coils winding method, but showed one of take apart only. The unit placed on the table was the exact same one verified. He had previously removed the THIRD STUB WIRE and retaped up the joint, so as during the take apart video, no one would see the 3rd wire. You can see the difference. He did not want people to know about the electromagnet connection to ground.

(2nd) There were multiple statements regarding an extra 100 volts was necessary going to spark plug along with the 12v battery + 12 magnets powered alternator lower voltages. The bare wire under the insulated wire can cause cross leakage induction of 100 volts - not 6000 volts, due to the GREATLY LOWERED ignition volts from the self powered Magnetron. (The plug IS conductive across the tips)

(3rd) - The end use was not spark plug firing in the air, or under compression with open electrodes of plug. Engine was running on conductive mineral water covering the spark plug tips in combustion chamber. The high volts fired from the Magnetron passes through the triple coils assembly using BARE COPPER #12 gauge wire. The outer wrappings were #14 gauge insulated wire. Normally, high volts from bare wire would jump- cross fire into the TAP JOINT and travel to the side ground , and bypass, not fire spark plug. But now Magnetron sees about 20 ohms of low resistance of conductive mineral water! This greatly lowers the high volts. The lowered voltage now travels through spark plug . The other power wire now WITH THE ADDITIVE 100V IN SERIES, then fires 10 amps through spark plug forming Hydrogen gas electrolysis fuel and fires it. Also water vapor pressure is generated that aids the piston pressure of engine. All this happens in an instant of time. I now believe the ORIGINAL SHOWN S1R coils was viable, and no other coils assembly was used.
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#49 · 4 Mar 2024

Currently researching the S1R9A9M9 methods of adding additional higher voltage to the engine's lower voltage electrolysis spark plug end use. The extreme high resistance air gap at tips changes to electrical load of 22 ohms resistance or higher with conductive mineral waters as a tiny cell. The extra volts added then allows 6-7 amps to flow, rather than .1 amp, creating sufficient Hydrogen and water vapor pressure to sustain all his previous engines converted with zero ohm spark plugs, and making use of "cross over leakage Inductance voltage" as superimposed and added in series with main DC power wire. We are assuming that's the way it was done, but there are 6 other methods to consider. This was Nathren's and his son Nathren's and shop technician's invention during 2005-2012 Georgia. His wife's car 1978 V8 El Camino tooled around on 18MPG water before being locked up in security garage after 3000miles on water in gas tank. (EGR must be applied to smooth out engine running because of the Nitrogen compound being reused and piston compressed from the water.) Later, when a substitute welded steel box replaced the car gas tank, some drippings from exhaust was reused and greatly increased MPG again. I won't say what was told about that, from the now shut down web forum. As for his last, Briggs mower engine conversion, there is sufficient room in the plastic tub hanging on the side of 18HP engine from YouTube videos , to hold a hand wound step up autotransformer for => 100 volts to use, similar size, and along with the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly. Got it? Bench testing about 2013 by Daniel Donatelli -Issue,- "Explode salt water upon demand" pgs92-97, Document showed voltage applied to spark plug of mower engine of 100-240volts DC allowed the capacitor discharge to turn over engine with force, with electrolyte water in combustion chamber. (Closing in on the relentless water engine - stage 5 of 6 stages.)

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#50 · date not recorded

Speculation On Nathren's Grand Deception ! -- His Briggs Engine Did Run On Water during demonstrated two 2008 Youtube videos! During research for my electrical conversion project to duplicate Nathren's electrical circuit, at stage 5 of 6, this current level has to do with what's called "waste spark". We need to protect our battery from the high voltage. That wasn't done during 2008, and him and his son were in danger of battery acid expulsion. The engine timing fires spark plug WITH conductive solution at plug tips. During waste spark firing, there is no fluid, only dry plug gap. This forms way higher voltage that can reflect back to battery. I was going to use power supply with diode bank for plug firing at protection level of 15KV. The Electromagnet was to be on all the time to ground, according to Nathren. EXACTLY AFTER the 2 videos came out, he answered questions truthfully.on the web forum and the comments section of Youtube videos for VERY SHORT PERIOD ONLY. Soon after, all answers were wrong, and his circuit comments would not operate any engine on water. Not only that, the rest of the needed parts were not told about that were in the plastic tub on side of the Briggs 18HP engine. Several non-knowledgeable people were hurt trying to duplicate system, so at that point,he got in trouble, he gave no more truthful data, and made false answers, even to me. . This is what has impeded interested parties who were also wanting to get into the conversion.

He said the engine was purchased new for a demonstration. Close up pictures show dusty, worn paint, used engine. He then said mower engine came from a used riding mower. It was requested for the part number of engine, so as specifications would be known AND about the alternator. Specs were not given. He said that engine had no alternator. It is well known that all riding lawn mowers have an alternator, and during the 2 earlier videos, the engine 10 amps current had to come from the alternator for the power used, after the battery was completely disconnected..That particular engine had "dual" 1/2 alternators, so that with bridge rectifier mounted, 10 amps could be realized. I have the same type used engine with same alternator..

The earlier 2005-2008 conversions done on 4cyl, 6cyl, 8 cyl cars, and 4 cyl tractor engines all used the 400Watt inverter and dual coils relay per cylinder. The ONLY ground for system was through the spark plug to NEGATIVE ground. There was no separate electromagnet to separate ground on these previous engines. With POSITIVE high volts to negative ground, the plugs would always fire. But never with positive ground , negative high volts., with same time other connections to ground causing plug BYPASS. The ignitions were changed to positive high volts. On the Briggs engine, he said the electromagnet had to be on all the time to separate ground. With negative NORMAL high volts, the single spark plug would never fire.The very EARLY comment said the power current wire was connected to high volts and spark plug top, so as 10 amps would flow through spark plug. The later stories and his other videos DID NOT HAVE THAT! We now know that POWER current HAS TO FLOW THROUGH SPARK PLUG!, not as an induction mode type.as he later said. His later statements were to get people away from a working engine by keeping power current away from plug and through a separate resistance load to ground. The Nathren deception continued with the message board and videos messages section.

It is now believed that separate electromagnet is not necessary on Briggs engine, since all previous engines DID NOT HAVE ANY! Previous engines conversions did not have the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly with electromagnet AT THAT TIME period! The necessary magnetic field of the coils is only when plug fires to ground!

There are 2 solutions to the waste spark problem. (1) No separate electromagnet used, with its problem of high voltage danger to battery. (2) Use of electronic circuit counter IC circuit for fire+ not fire, to eliminate point where plug is dry, and greatly increases voltage hazard. A Separate diodes bank to protect separate battery circuit loses 10.5 volts from 12 volts. Just Integrating the power supply output and battery output same time through same diode bank protection - still loses 10 volts from battery. Note- the strength of magnetic field from an electromagnet only has to do with number of wire turns, size of coil and the amps current involved. Nothing about voltage in main formula. - But the wattage is lost.

Therefore : - Power supply of 6 amps flow and separate 4.5 amps electromagnet flow from the battery is reduced down to just 6 amps forward flow through spark plug from power supply only! Nathren and his son, and 2 technicians in their shop used 6-7 amps through all the cars engines spark plugs. 10 amps is not necessary as used on the mower engine of 2008. You can still see the 2008 S1R9A9M9 Youtube videos of his engine running on hydrogen gas from spark plug electrolysis and water vapor pressure contributing to piston compression.