101 plate cell, G board and Toroid ..........
Started by unknown · date unknown · 88 posts
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#51 · date not recorded
Bob directions are indeed correct, but his diagrams don't do what he says. but does other things...
what is he doing in the end?
Don't take my word here, you must understand by yourself's otherwise i would need to guide you thru everything and i need people to come aside me not behind me.
What does it not do specifically?
What other things does it do specifically ?
As far as whats he doing in the end... as for now he is making more gas than anyone with tube cells.... im all for tube cells as I think they may be a way to produce more gas than Bobs does but so far ... not hapened yet :/
Im sure the fields behave diffrent in a tube cell than a plate cell but I have not seen no body produce more usable gas at the same temperature as Bobs does.Even if there is a day the tube cells prove to produce MORE USUABLE GAS, Bob doesnt deserve to be bashed about his work or put down in anyway shape or form. -
#52 · date not recorded
Sometimes we are not stupid just the schematic...
I don't understand how pulsing different primaries with different frequencies would help.
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it may be a 3 phase system using water as the load
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#53 ·
Bob did not just find a way to make this toroid system work for HHO but he made some specific advancements with a multi-channeled setup using some more coils for DC bias on the toroid.
Don't know who he did this for but I'm sure it was a positive result.
Also from some old reading on his research with the multi-channel setup, he had some near miss horrific experiences.
I believe its because of the bad experiences he had, he shy's people away from researching with the setup.
I was never there and have not heard of any other persons factual representation of the evidence, so it may not be correct.
We need to hear of positive results with this setup and about the fine tuning of the pulse and width to show the proof of concept the system was designed for.
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#54 ·
You don't need a bunch of frequencies two frequencies with x6 spacing will do.. no OU ofc but helps fuel consumption.
So, Geon,
Welcom to this forum.
Can you explain more? It seems you know more about this, if i read your comments well?
X6 spacings? What does that mean?
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x6 means two frequencies must differ by the multiplication of the first frequency by 6 minus the first frequency..google coherence..
Plus yesterday I realised how this frequency bombarment alters the surface tension of water droplets.. surface tension is very important aspect.
You will have headaches using toroids I suggest you use other shapes. Seriously toroid shapes are extremely complex to understand.
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#56 ·
x6 means two frequencies must differ by the multiplication of the first frequency by 6 minus the first frequency..
Thanks for explaing and sharing your surface tension experiments, Geon. I ll appreciate that.
Plus yesterday I realised how this frequency bombarment alters the surface tension of water droplets.. surface tension is very important aspect.
You will have headaches using toroids I suggest you use other shapes.
So, if i understand you correctly, if i use 1khz as a basis frequency, you multiply 1khz * 6 = 6khz and then 6khz minus 1 = 5khz.
A comby of 1 and 5 khz would break up the surface tension, as example.
Did i do yr calculation right?
Steve
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#57 ·
Yes this according to what I know could alter the surface tension of water droplets, requiring that you use water mist/fog.. in wave synthesis we normally base our models on xy dimensional planes but not in the xyz axes.. water droplets can be modified in the three dimensional plane altering surface tension in a different way than normal . You can try different spacing depending on the medium you want to dirtort. Some say its because of magical frequencies and resonance but this applies to alter the sufrace tension creating negative surface tension and implosion , I believe I'm the first one to say that in a forum.. maybe others have guessed it.. we don't get excess energy even with this system.. but its better that common electrolysis. This is just a theory but surely works. -
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Geon, that is pretty interesting and worthy of trying but apparently not relating to the 101 G-Board and TPU of this particular forum string, as you stated "headaches using toroids"
If we were to try this with the toroid regardless just for a test.
For example a frequency maybe near 8.5khz x 6 = 51khz - 8.5khz = 42.5khz
This can be adjusted closer to certain frequency's in ranges.
I did not understand this until Steve wrote it out. Thanks Steve.
Its worthy of a try in an electrolysis system as you said, if it breaks the surface tension up then this is a good positive experiment many people should do on their various cells since it has a very good possibility of dislodging the sticky bubble layer.
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#59 · date not recorded
You can produce HHO using this, electrolysis is very energy consuming.. you can try toroids and other antennas.. use your imagination. The only thing is that you must add NaCl inside water and let it dissolve, also use water fog.
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#60 · date not recorded
Does anyone have an instruction file for the G board and Toroid set up and or a file of the effect from the TPU stuff? He told me the guy with TPU stuff had seen the effect the toroid produced but I didnt have time to research any of that back then. -
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Here's a basic adjustment page.
PWM3-G for Dummies.doc BB101.pdf
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#62 · date not recorded
Well I won't put standard salt in my cell any of them.
I did once before and it builds up on the S/S.
Don't know what else (maybe pits in the metal) I had to clean those tubes off literally of the salt junk.
I thought it ruined my tubes.You can produce HHO using this, electrolysis is very energy consuming.. you can try toroids and other antennas.. use your imagination.
The only thing is that you must add NaCl inside water and let it dissolve, also use water fog. -
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ss316 and plastic tubes will solve that problem.. -
#64 · date not recorded
Why 316? Do you mean 316L?
The metal make up is not much different than 304. Couple percent of chromium and nickel more on 316.
Salt will still effect it.
Are you using low carbon?
Here is the test cell the salt messed up. Its 304 though.
Been taken apart and cleaned many times and used with many different electrolytes for testing.
I've seen some other posts on the board with positive results using salt, but its not for the 101 unless someone is willing to test it.
Can't imagine what would happen to 101 plates if it got ruined from its pre-conditioning in NaoH.0b_test_set.jpg
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#65 ·
Thank you for the files Komtek, i didnt get to look at the first but i did the second one and it didnt mention the longitudal wrap or did i miss that part? -
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Okay let me try with with compressed pdf.
The original pdf is over 5megs and I can't upload.
Try this, it should have the DC bias coil wind.Bob_Boyce-TPUcompressedpdf.pdf
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#67 ·
kewl ... He's showing those longitudal wraps.. now that the rodin coil has came out i think it would be neat to stick one in the center of the toroid as a reciever coil? -
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Dear friends,
with all humble I ask you a newbie type question, because I´m quite confuse. I understand, that you bought PWM3G curcuit and built toroid and buy or built 101 plate cell, and you did not get resonance/efficiency more than 200 %, am I right? -
#69 · date not recorded
Hi Oldrich333,
Welcome!
Nick should really answer this but from what I have heard and read on this thread.
The PWM3G has not been tuned quite correctly to provide a resonance and the gas created thus far seems to be at a excellent rate for the power consumed.
Thus far it seems like a perfectly prepared cell (electrically isolated plates) and conditioned can provide at these higher voltages (because more plates) a rate of gas per liter at approximately 75-77 watts so far in just an electrolytic fashion.
I think if Nick can trully tune that PWM into a resonance he may experience even more output.
I would surely love to see that output rise or current level drop.
Also to add to this that its quite possible the gas produced is at a higher level of strength as compared to a standard dry cell.
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#70 ·
Here's what appears like an older Boyce video.
This cell is just an electrolytic cell.
I noticed he stated the spaces between were 1/8" but the slots were oversized and allow solution to pass around the plates and equalize.
Wasn't there a problem with this eventually?
Also I wonder if there is a certain amount of current maybe just a bit too much that the passing solution could create an arc spot.
Wasn't arcing an issue with many of these 101 containers.
If it was what was the current setting people would use on them. I wonder if in general many people were applying much over current.
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#71 · date not recorded
Oldrich, I can tell you this. I have been testing the B.B.101 cell for many years now. It has taken many design changes to solve the leaking and bypass issues. To date I HAVE NOT seen resonance in my cell. I have heard of others who have, but I have not seen even a video of a B.B.101 cell resonating yet. Do I believe it is possible with my current setup. YES, and I believe I have the cell to do it but as of this date, testing goes on. Like Seb said earlier there are no newbies or dummys here, only those wanting to learn. That is the purpose of this thread to hopefully solve this together. -
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hey Nick, can you post some piks of your cells and scope shots of ur G board? -
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have you tried to construct two toroids interconnected but not touching like a chain? -
#74 · date not recorded
Geon,
You got many (good) ideas that maybe you should try out someday.
At this point we are concentrating on the system Boyce developed.
Nobody in all my research thus far on the Boyce system with the toroid and 3 channel primary has seen anything out of the ordinary.
Personally I have a viewpoint that no one has adjusted the signal to perfection.
If anyone has found the certain signal variable they have not posted anywhere.
There are a ton of variables.
Somehow we will have to put our minds together and try to understand what exactly we should be seeing on a scope shot.
Width of the 3 pulses may change with a small tolerance in relation to each other in order to create the Boyce effect.
Somewhere I also heard of a tiny shift in phase would add to the effect.
Pulse width, pulse variations I have heard slight changes of frequency's from the quoted frequency's, temperature of the cell electrolyte, voltage amplitudes. etc.
So a whole lot of fine tuning and data of this tuning must be logged to recreate the Boyce effect.
This PWM was a proof of concept tool so it did tune to the effect Boyce stated.
Its just too bad Bob has not posted much data, and as a matter of fact he has pulled data off the internet on more than one forum concerning this system.
This was a openly shared HHO system and then what Bob backs out.
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My wish is that others that have built or studied or seen in action the 101 and toroid come and share the ideas and facts that were available for the fine tuning needed on the primary channels in order to attain the Boyce effect that this system was developed for originally.
"Just the Proof of concept"
have you tried to construct two toroids interconnected but not touching like a chain?
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#75 · date not recorded
Nick doesnt want to share pictures in an open forum of Bob Boyces replication.. how do you feel about that Komtek?