spintronic

The 8xa circuit is a variation of the vic matrix circuit it uses the same technology. its just a matter of time when i decide to give it a go before it is made to work
You just need to apply the basic rules.
 
1) Primary flux aligns electron orbit spin in surrounding coils
2) electrons then behave as tiny magnets in ferrous metals with the correct magnetic field applied
3) the north and south poles of each atom attract to each other causeing electron clustering rather than electron flow, i do not know for certain this is how electron clustering happens but i do know it works.

lets look again at the science that makes this happen
 
Spintronics is an advanced form of electronics that harnesses not just the electrical charge of electrons (as in conventional electronics) but also a property called spin that makes electrons act like tiny bar magnets
source  http://leebor2.741.com/spintronic.html
 
So why not use copper wire? (non magnetic, non ferrous)
 
Spin-polarized currents flow well in magnetic materials, but when they enter non-magnetic materials the electrons begin to lose their spin polarization in a process called spin-flip scattering.
source http://www.spintronics-info.com/technical/cold_copper_causes_spin_diffusion
in Copper wire each atom cannot form a north or south pole so meyers stuff will not work.
 
The tiny magnets formed will attract or repel, opposites attract likes repel, so we can start to see how meyers transformer works, like the inhibit choke for example.
 
Here is a new look on meyers vic with some real science to back it up and proven to work. from this we can build his tube system 6 tube assemblys can run a 1.6l engine, The steam resonator and his injector system the complete energy solution. Without his vic none of this can be built.
 
@steve
I am thinking the electrons in the secondary align to form a north south poles (electron clustering) as explained above, the primary can be copper or iron so they do not have to be attracted to the primary inorder to work. If you apply the basic rules at the top of the post there is no reason why the 8xa circuit cannot be made to work. if everyone (thats not a lot) posts replies based on this science we can have less confusion about meyers technology.
kb seems very young to me (no offence kb) and does not come across to me as understanding anything i have posted on my thread.
 
 
 

 

i should get shares in that bas**ard company   there must be one similiar in america
 
find a easy way of getting that primary wound perfect for me dude, the vic has to be zero amps out.
no bends,kinks or twist in the magnetic field of the primary. it needs to be compressed and as you wind your coil on the spool and compress it one part will push down further than the other causeing a bend in the wire. It`s a pain in the arse.
 
 

Spintronic articles relates to nano science it`s nano techno babble, with a little patience we can piece together usefull information.
 

Spin-polarized currents flow well in magnetic materials, but when they enter non-magnetic materials the electrons begin to lose their spin polarization in a process called spin-flip scattering.
source http://www.spintronics-info.com/technical/cold_copper_causes_spin_diffusion
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copper (non magnetic) is crap.
 
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html
This covers the boys that first proved the spin orbit theory
 
Spintronics is an advanced form of electronics that harnesses not just the electrical charge of electrons (as in conventional electronics) but also a property called spin that makes electrons act like tiny bar magnets
source  http://leebor2.741.com/spintronic.html
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This is the one we like

I have just confirmed a earlier observation the iron primary induces over x2 more current than the same size copper primary. This has not been tested on a normal transformer just my vic with loose wound primary (leaky). I am not expecting much in replys so i will just say this, if you build a vic or anything based on technology like the 8xa circuit out of all copper you are wasteing your time, 4 years of building stuff that don`t work or of little use proves it.
 
Resonance has been a source of confusion with meyers patents. I have identifyed alterations in his patents and the use of resonance has been referred to in a number of places it should not be.
The resonance talked of in meyers wfc for example refers to the freedom of movement of hydroxyl ions in water that needs to be tuned into for high gas yield, this comes from a independent evaluation of meyers wfc. http://www.scribd.com/doc/36927148/WFCexpl
 
So much mis-information about meyers technology for so many years has left people not knowing what they are doing.
 
 

i spent 2 weeks reading thru that nano gobble-degook garbage , gave me a real headache

hi iontruster
 
Yes a step by step guide with more info n pics would be a easier read for many, only people who have tried to build the vic from his vic matrix patent will fill in the gaps straight away. This is still in early development stages calculations of any sort have not been done, they probably will be needed to get high gas yield from a wfc. It has been try it and see what happens. The way i approached this was it`s 4 coils of wire, what do i have to do to make it work.
I use .63mm wire, other sizes will work. I havent found a need for flux gauges.

 
You need to look at meyers vic matrix patent, the copper wire is replaced by iron wire for secondary and chokes. The primary is a normal winding not as described in his patent. Have you seen the pictures of the vic spools? You need to build something that looks like that.
 
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1267
 
these pictures do not show his primary spool that fits in the middle.
 
I use a large flyback transformers ferrite core (large for modern designs)
It is driven with a simple darlington transistor config, some diodes and signal generator for basic function test, nothing complicated.
 
basically i am telling you what you need to alter to get his vic working. I will try to find time for a step by step guide however its a matter of time now before building his vic technology becomes common knowledge, the tube system, steamresonator ect will follow. 
 
like i say this is tried and tested and 100% correct, people will build this and find it works. They can alter already built vics to work.
 
Read thru his vic matrix patent and ask about anything thats not clear.
 
 
 
 
 

I have built the vic we may need a lot of these cores soon, e-cores give the best results according to meyer
 
   
 
Check out my post, a tried and tested working VIC
 

I have been messing around with meyers vic for 8 months now, there had to be a answer, well lads its been cracked so fill ya boots.
This is a cut n paste from another site where i go under the name rizla
 
After building so many variations that just dont work i sat back and asked the question what is happening with meyers longitudal primary. Well mainstream science has no answer, so i dug a little deeper and uncovered the spin orbit of electrons. This creates emf in transformers, the angle of the magnetic flux affects the spin orbit of electrons and so the amount of induced emf. I was finding some answers.
 
Things got more interesting when i uncovered the fact that different metals have different effects when the electron orbits are manipulated by magnetic flux. In iron wire they form tiny magnets, they have a north and south pole they can attract and repel, i now have the effect meyer describes in his patents. 
take a look at this site
 
http://www.asdn.net/asdn/electronics/spintronics.shtml
 
What it says is ferrous metals can have each atom give a 1 or 0 state, its a typical spintronics site, you have to look thru a lot to get the full picture.
The 1 or 0 are actually north and south poles, this is unique property of ferrous metals and it does not just apply at a nano level unless you wish to manipulate each atom individually.
 
First theorised around 1860 then proven in 1920 the spin orbit of electrons is where electronics meets magnetism, this science has been around a long time but not common knowledge.
 
I located some insulated iron based wire, after a number of experiments i found that a iron wire vic works, the mystery is over. Also the primary is not dual bi-directional longitudal wrap, it is a normal winding.
A recent test shows copper wire for the primary works but all other coils have to be a suitable ferrous wire like iron. Stainless, even 300 grade, is a poor choice due to electron scattering. Note as well the primary must be very tight and generate a uniform magnetic field (i mean a perfect uniform magnetic field) or current will leak out. A primary and secondary is all thats needed for testing to start with, this should read zero amps on a meter that measures down to 10uA with a short circuit. You can now wire in the inhibit and charge choke one at a time while checking for current leakage. If the primary is not wound correct you will notice the difference the inhibit choke makes in reduceing current while the charge choke adds more current.

So after building your vic you may well wonder why this has been such a problem, as you can see the patents have been altered and we have all been building crap that will never work, 4 years of running round in circles. Not only that but the spin orbit of electrons science has been hidden for about 80 years, it had to be suppressed or water fuel technology would be impossible to stop.
 
Happy days

@tony
 
you claim you have a working vic, is that meyers vic or your own design? what output are u getting from your wfc and what size engine can you run?
 
@kb
 
the dielectric tuned into is explained in this doc
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36927148/WFCexpl

 
meyer has said so many times his vic stops the influx of current, the video shows a phase shift, in order to get a phase shift current must lag behind voltage. there you go current is flowing in your circuit, but i am just repeating myself again.
 
if anyone wants to build the copper vic go ahead and knock yourself out but please post on one of the thousands of threads dedicated to it. I have had to many posts saying the copper vic is correct and not replying to any of my questions or points.
 
 

@tony
 
it is impossible to give the wfc full voltage with no measurable <10uA current with the circuit u describe.
 
to form a magnetic field in L1 current must flow into the wfc then threw L2 back into secondary. no resonance or fancy windings/magnetic fields or techno talk can hide this. current will flow into the wfc and the cell becomes useless whatever you do. today i went out and counted the number of meyer water powered cars available, it was none.
i am sorry to bring the bad news after 4 years of trying to get it to work but copper wire is no good, i have explained why,i have explain what needs to be done to get meyers vic working, i have given you the science.
 
can we get back on track is everyone agreed the secondary and choke coils must be iron wire?

@webmug
Iron wire primary will generate more heat as you say, it also induces more current.
 
@tony
The thing is tony we can discuss what you are saying for many years to come, as they have for the last 4 years. If i believed what you are saying had value i would be all ears, i do mean that, but so many have built it or variations of with no tube system to show for there work, or steam resonator or injector system. Current flows hydrolysis or some slightly novel gas method of little use is the result. Time has proved this beyond any reasonable doubt. I have built meyers copper vic, it did not work, i could not make it work and i cannot put any sort of spin on it to make it still look a promising avenue of research to continue with. You clearly are a skilled technician and if you can get your copper vic to work as meyer described i will post some beers straight to your doorstep. 

Hi andy
First follow the science links on electron spin orbit and understand the basics they talk of, this is important.
The spin orbits must all line up perfectly to do this the primary magnetic field must have no bends, kinks, gaps ect. It must be a very tight close wound perfect coil. not easy. The best way is to machine the spools so there is no gap formed as you first wind the wire on, you can then compress the wire without a bend appearing.
Failure to do this will mean not all electrons align. The electrons that do not will leak out into the circuit or in other words create emf. 

The good thing is we can see even a coil that leaks shows current restriction, for example by reversing the inhibit coil 178mA flows, putting the wires back the current drops to 20mA, voltage out is unaffected either way.
 
hope that helps andy with english not being your first language
 

Hi stevie and mr h2o

I can see what your saying, i shall sort something out. All u need is a large enough ferrite core or grain oriented silicon steel core, machine your spools and populate with iron wire. Only the primary is a critical winding and a problem. I will post a few pics of what i am useing and a circuit diagram.
 
Heres a link for some iron wire, its not ideal but works and is cheap (about £2.50 for 40 metres). Garden wire and others like it are a bit naff.
 
http://www.crazywireco.co.uk/acatalog/Iron_Wires.html or the other just posted
 
Pure iron should give best results, but yes i agree it`s a b*tch to find and when you find it the cost is £75 for 5 metres so thats simply not happening for me.
 
Does everyone get the spintronic science as far as meyers technology is concerned?
 
The wfc document explains how the chemical reaction works, not sure it answers your question stevie, the document was released well before meyers death and appears unaltered and would be difficult to alter haveing never been held under national security. Resonance is not used as current restriction in the vic as implied in the patents, it is used to trigger the explosive gas release. The details of the chemical reaction are beyond me 
 
before i clear off the 8xa circuit, if i wind a primary first on each spool (single layer) then on top of each primary wind the other coils, secondary and so on, i believe i have the basis of his older technology, what do you think stevie?

 

interesting, i guess u can see how even if the primary is not wound tight enough the inhibit choke reduces current?. If the secondary is wound and wired as tesla pancake coils further reduces current? As the primary warms and expands the current out reduces? the tighter the primary is wound the less current out. can you give us some more info on what you have been doing?
 
I have wound a small coil setup to test, its makes sense for the first go, if it did not work theres less time and effort put in. It did work, split water meyer style with tiny bubbles no gunk and zero current to the tubes. It was wound with a iron primary and 16v supply, it got warm but no smoke, what have u been doing to set the place on fire? Copper wire looks like the way to go for the primary with less heat from my first test and as soon as i get my winding kit made i shall post the results of iron v copper primary.
 
kickback the primary needs to be closely wound, thick insulation could cause problems and the paper may give capacitance between coils that may or may not be a problem.