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For every electron entering a hydrogen cell another leaves.  So the total amount of electrons used is ...?

You are NOT creating electrons to add to a water molicule; you are using Voltage and Current flow to overcome the Electronegativity of the O atom.

If you did have to add electrons to a water molicule to get it to split into H & O you would only need one wirw going into the cell.
You would also not be able to do so using heat alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermolysis

The conventional way to split water is by adding energy in the form of electrical power, (= VxA) or Heat.
Or a combination of the two.

The reason you and I are here is because we want to find an alternative way of doing so.
One that requires either much less energy input, or uses free energy.

The methods being tried are:
Getting the molicule to resonate at some frequency of the molicule or H or O atom or something.
Free energy devices that supply the energy, usually electrical?, to do so in a conventional manner.
Catalysts, that by definition, speed up reactions while not being consumed in the reaction themselves.
Using other properties of either Monatomic and/or Diatomic H and its changing between the two states.

Adding electrons to an atom or molicule simply gives you a negativly charged ion of the same atom or molicule.

AC electrolysis

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Logic,

How high do you wanna go in frequency?
I think it can go up in ghz if you want to.

Steve

 :)
Thx Steve, but my post is supposed to be more thought provoking than anything else.
I simply wanted the get people thinking on the microscopic level about what is happening to the water molicules in a cell.

At the moment I have 2 lathes, a milling machine, and a whole lot of other engineering equipment stuffed to the ceiling in a single garage!  So no building or experimenting for me untill I get the stuff ito a big enough premisis.

However:  Let me be the 1st to admit that I know very little about electronics and circuit boards etc.
So any info and diagrams are welcome thx.
 :)

AC electrolysis

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I have tried to visualise what happens at the interface between the electrodes and water:

For a negative DC electrode:
A water molecule gains an electon from the electrode.
The enables 1 H atom to overcome the electronegativity of the water molicule and split off.
This leaves a neg. OH- ion in contact with the negativly charged plate.
As both are negative the OH- ion is repelled away from the electrode at extremely high speed.
Now there are billions of water molicules in the way, which the ion bumps into.
This causes the the kenetic energy of the ion to be changed into heat in the electrolyte.

Now picture what would happen If the electrode could be changed to positive extremly fast, before the negative ion leaves, or moves too far away:
The negative charge would be stripped off, adding power to the setup.
An extra electron would also be taken away; making a OH+ ion and perhaps splitting it into O and H?

So the question becomes:
How fast does the OH- ion move away from / break contact with, the negative electrode and thus how high does the AC frequency have to be to present a positve surface to said negative ion before this happens?



From the link above it would seem that the ion moves away at an initial speed of around 2 million miles
in a minute!?

From this one can deduce that your AC frequency has to be insanely high for you to see any advantages to using AC.

Or perhaps the OH- ion bounces off the closest water molicule at a certain frequency and would then hit the electrode again if it were + at the right time?

 ???

So; whats the highest frequency AC one can produce?
 :)

1500volt by less then 5mA

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Input voltage 11v to 14v
Low input voltage cut off 10v
High input voltage shut down 15v
Reverse polarity protection 10A fuse + diode
Max continous power 75W
Efficiency at max output voltage 90%
Thermal Shutdown Yes
Output voltage 0 to 50kV @ 13.5v dc
Max output voltage 55kV @ 0mA
Output voltage type +dc
Streamer protection threshold 2mA
Overboost current threshold 1mA
Voltage monitor output Yes
Overload shutdown limit 150Watts
Current sensing hv shunt
Pulse frequency 1Hz to 100Hz
Pulse duty cycle 0 to100%
Monitor voltage 10mV per kV

http://www.blazelabs.com/e-exp03.asp
 ;D
Hopefully someone might find this power supply, with circuit diagrams etc, handy.

Its built for lightness so some modification is probably possible.
This should be handy for those dope insulated electrode experiments.
It would also be interesting to see 50KV through a spark plug!  :)

Let me be the 1st to say I am useless when it comes to electronics., but even I know this is one kick-ass supply!
I have also never built an electrolyser; so please let me know if you-all would prefere me to just read; rather than post stuff?

SPECIFICATIONS:
Input voltage 11v to 14v
Low input voltage cut off 10v
High input voltage shut down 15v
Reverse polarity protection 10A fuse + diode
Max continous power 75W
Efficiency at max output voltage 90%
Thermal Shutdown Yes
Output voltage 0 to 50kV @ 13.5v dc
Max output voltage 55kV @ 0mA
Output voltage type +dc
Streamer protection threshold 2mA
Overboost current threshold 1mA
Voltage monitor output Yes
Overload shutdown limit 150Watts
Current sensing hv shunt
Pulse frequency 1Hz to 100Hz
Pulse duty cycle 0 to100%
Monitor voltage 10mV per kV

http://www.blazelabs.com/e-exp03.asp
 
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This one can vary the output voltage from absolute zero to a maximum voltage of 50kV @ 0mA. Pot 2 varies the duty cycle from 0% to 100% (increasing in clockwise direction). The figures 4,5,6 show three different waveforms as pulse width is increased through 10%, 50% and 90%. When fully anticlockwise (0% duty cycle) or fully clockwise (100% duty cycle), no pulses appear at the output. Pot 3 sets the amplitude of the output voltage from absolute zero to full maximum voltage. At 100% duty cycle, the waveform becomes direct current and Pot 3 can be used to linearly vary the dc level of the non pulsed high voltage output. The pulse frequency can be varied from 1Hz to 100Hz, and amplitude from 0% to 100%, thus enabling any pulse voltage at specific frequency and duty cycle to be set at the required amplitude. Turning Pot 3 clockwise while in pulse mode, will increase the peak voltage of the waveform accordingly.

Hydrogen rich gas generator

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Above is the old; here is the new:



Also easy to make and no reason why waste exhaust heat cant be harnessed to heat water and vaporise fuel.

Glad to help Warp.  :)

I thought maybe you wanted to spy back on MIBs with it!  ;D
Now it seems you may end up using it to listen to your cells!  :o
 :)

Sound, light, microwaves, etc can all be transmitted in a straight line with these if you replace the receiver with the relevant transmitter.

SS VS ?

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I dont think you need nickel plates.
Nickel is highly resistant to alkaline electrolyte corrosion.
Decent Nickel plating should work.

But we are nor talking nickel here; alloys can have very different properties to their constituents.

Copper nickel aluminium alloys are available.
I'm thinking that the Al will be eaten away by the KOH; leaving a Raney Nickel type surface?

SS VS ?

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Cupronickel is corrosion resistant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupronickel

Constantan has a negative temperature coefficient of resistance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantan

I have not yet found data on the coefficient of resistance of Constantan with temperature, but perhaps this allow can make use of the excess heat in a cell to lower the resistance of electrodes.

"...copper-constantan, has a Seebeck coefficient of 41 microvolts per kelvin at room temperature..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect