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i wondered the same thing! but i think the trick to that will be in the cell setup

um, you guy's probably gonna think im a nut but i just had to come back and post that the outside container of my cell has static all over it, i can stick paper to it,,, its like the static you would find on a TV tube,but its not as strong. the reason i noticed it is because it made the little hairs on my hand tickle when i racked my hand across it,, i then grabed paper to confirm,,, very odd.

its like the more i progress the more i notice that the higher the volts get the lower the amps go down? Strange for me to realize volts is getting higher and amps are getting lower, hrmmm

my last test results,,, 106 volts 3.7 amps 350 cc's a min...

IF, the voltage did not Drop i could add 5 more units... this would be 3.7 amps * 6 = 22.2 amps, Production would be 2.1 liters per min, IF the voltage does not drop... If the voltage does drop one could add 6 diff power supplies running 6 units, the output would indeed be 2.1 liters a min!

Lets hope we dont have much of a voltage drop! These fuel cell units cost !!!! i want be geting these results in anytime soon...

i would like to report that i gained 104 volts across a cell, the cell started humming and then shacking, "viberating" at first i thought the humming was coming from my power supplie but further investigation proved that it was not comming from the power supply but from the fuel cell. Im not going to comment on the fuel cell setup right now because i am working on making this better, but i can tell ya during humming i was producing about 450 cc's a min...

i think i am starting to understand whats going on, and if what i feel is right then i can make production at its peek,, lets see what happens...

lol, howed you know? and where have you been hiding?

talking with stevie for an hour or so on replicating this test,,, at first his tubes didn't do that great, production was low, 150 cc's a min at 8 amps 12 volts, 84 watts... I ask him to switch from his secret power supply to his variac, this is where he consumed 8 amps by 25v on variac producing 190 cc's a min. 200 watts

Stevies max production before this was 330 cc's min using 20 volts 20 amps. 400 watts

Stevie had told me his variac was small, he had problems getting 10 amps from it, i think he had to back off because the variac started to smoke.

This is strange because my old production was around 22 volts 35 amps for about 500 cc's a min 770 watts, now i can produce probably the same or more using 45 volts 15 amps, 675 watts.

Stevie thinks his tubes are to long, myself i dont know what the *ell is going on and spike looks to replicate this soon, or test around with it. Stevie is in the process of creating a new cell and me, im really happy that i can cut the amps in half and still produce the same, or more.

Stevie had mentioned to me that 770 watts was not much different than 675 watts, and i had mentioned back that amps cause heat, and less amps means less heat, that heat come from work. i mentioned that i could tell the difference between the load on my driver motor because it wasn't bad at all, 15 amps compared to 35 is a load of difference. He also said voltage will cause heat to, i agree but amps is what loads down the alternator, with this setup i have that works for me the load on the alternator is cut in half, its unlike anything i have ever seen.

More testing! i'm glad to make this discovery, even if everyone cant replicate it for some un oddly reason, which i can understand. 

just to be clear, im still producing what i was or more, and 20 big amps came up missing? whered they go?

anyone seen my amps?

EDIT, this works on the alternator just as well, tested that to! just the variac dont make noise and is capable of getting the job done since less amps are required now

lol,, I would say i do not know because all the outer tubes are all connected to each other,, very strange

Today Folks I produced as much gas as i normally would, in fact,,, i think i produced more today then i did yesterday!

What did i do different with my tube cell to produce the same amount of gas? Well, i cut the amps in half!!!!!! LOL

Normally my cell runs at 35 amps,,, Today it ran at 15 amps and produced the same amount of gas using less amps!

So whats the trick one might say? Well, the outer tubes are just for looking at... +-+-+-+-+-+

who would have thought??? this means i can add more tubes up until i see 35 amps again, this would mean my production would ("DOUBLE")

This isn't my latest finding though,,, my latest finding totally deletes the use of a noisy alternator alltogether wahooooooooo.... The latest finding can be installed into a car and has no moving parts!

THIS IS MY NEW TUBE SETUP!!!!!!!!
IT REQUIRES THE INNER TUBES TO BE CONNECTED ONLY, +-+-+-+-+- like that... It Requires a Voltage Inverter, ONLY a 3000 watt one ("WHICH IS OVER KILL") AND A GOOD VARIAC AND BRIDGE RECTIFIER!!!!!!!!!  Power inverter not needed for indoor testing!

My Production today pulled 10 amps from the 110 volt wall outlet, 1100 watts is what i used! and i produced as much this way, "IF NOT MORE" than i would produce using the alternator, which is rated 110 volts 12 amps min, 24 amps max.... I wonder if i can get run 2 variacs or 1 big one,,, HRMMM....

Overland Plating

Theres talk on the forum about Overland Plating, so the founder has came here to see what it is the talk is about.

Charlie, could you please post here what it is you do? I seen your post and it seems this would be the proper place for it.

and here is what happens when the chokes is double the freq.

This is and example of the vic when the chokes are not double the freq of the input freq.

in your above circuit, it looks like you are trying to get very high volts across a conductor.

The high volts stanly talks about when he talks about the vic is the volts across the upper choke, L1 i think it is. Also the fuel cell takes a small charge. Stanley measures the volts just after the diode, and just before the cap on the negative side, so you would have L1 + C wich is greater than the input voltage. and you will find that the higher the voltage in this area means less gas, i have personally seen a vic that i've created go beyond 2 thousand volts powerd from a 12 volt source, where i was probably pulsing at around 5 or 6 volts.

Stan has also said that L1 was a Amp inhibiting coil, and Also he said this choke was a Frequency Doubler. So if you can applie the dave lawton circuit to a transformer to ring the chokes and pulse the chokes, you have chokes that is resonating double the freq that the transformer is resonating at, so this means there will come a time when the back emf from the chokes are in series with the transformer, if the chokes is not double the freq of the transformers output than you will never see this LC action happen, but you will see high volts. when the LC action happens the amps after L1 and before the cap is greater than the amps Before L1, this is true because when the chokes are being charged the cell is acting as a resistor because the amps are being restricted, when the source stops restricting the amps there is a collapse and then the Cap then acts as an conductor, and capacitor.

what everyone thinks is, the water fuel cell is a conductor, but stan hit a freq, the freq of water wich allowed high volts to be shown across the fuel cell. Stan did not say that the high volts was across the fuel cell, he talked in riddles, like for example, the voltage would go to infinity if the electronics would allow it. and he says that the water fuel cell takes on a charge. this leads you to believe that he is charging the cap and the cap has high voltage across it because he tuned into the resonate frequency of water. Nothing stanley says is a lie, everything works as stan says it works, and he explaines it well, the problem is people missunderstand what stan is saying, why? for one stan says it in such a way to confuse you because he wants it to confuse you. its all part of his protection.

alot of the problem is you guy's dont have the dvd's on stan, they are very very boaring to watch, but if you have these dvd's and you sit down and you watch them, the more he talks the more he tells on his self. he is a good guy and very very clever, but if you dont know what to look for and how to determine whats going on then theres no hope. alot of the truth is in the dvd's. but i picked up my knowledge on stan over a years period hardcore testing and using stan for a hero.

if you have built this circuit im sure there is somewhere you can use it in this system for a nailgun, so its not a wast of time. i have made many circuits and thrown them away time after time. it came to a point to where i was making so many circuits i had to learn how to start etching them, thats how bad it got for me. alot of effort is put into this hobby by many people and effort is what it takes to make us see the truth.

anyways this is my point of view of the situation, im very sure water does have a resonate frequency and if you find it and amplify it im sure water will just fall apart! maybe stan found this magic freq when he used just 12 volts 40 amps to the cell from the alternator. then again, if he found resonance dont you think he would have produced more than just 7 liters a min? again, stan said voltage across his cells was 12.5 volts, and he said that the alternator restricted amps, and it does! so i guess stan hit resonance at 12 volts 40 amps. i am talking about the setup that ran stans car, the one that got it going down the road!

the alternator does indeed restrict lots of amps. stan uses pulsed dc, he also has 9 tubes. its so great how he did this! the guy is amazing!   

i like your attitude, and i like you! all the circuits do tend to relate. it has to work and you have to show proof that it works to patent it the way stanley did. Stan showed his work and proved it because he wanted that patent, and because of proof his patents was not denied. You have to have a patent even though the patent is not exactly what you're using, its called patent protection! you are not required to to put your actual protocol schematics etc,, into a patent, however the protocol in the patent may have major differences to the unit the patent is for. there is no law that requires you to patent the actual device, its patent protection. Sure, you will see alot of patents with the actual device in the patent, but there is times you will see a device, compare it to the patent and say hey, the patent is not related to this device at all? whats going on here? patent protection!


its nice that you're looking very deep into one of stanleys patents and comparing it to others work, but i feel you are spending more time on that device than stanley meyers spent on it. he used it to get what he wanted, the resonate circuit hooked to a resonate cell will never produce that type of gas in a good time range, it is energy efficient! it had to be to get the patent! thats why it works for its size. 

if you was to hook 2 chokes in series with a fuel cell, you would see that the chokes would Block Current from the power source, at the same time the chokes is being charged they form a magnetic field around the core. this magnetic core is what blocks amp flow from the power device. when the power source is turned off the Magnetic field within the chokes collapses, the chokes forms a series like boost threw the power source sourcing backwards threw the diode. and there will be times the transformer is also working with the fuel cell. This shows and proves the vic, it can not be denied, it works. But the Deviced used to gain this patent had nothing to do with what stan was after, due to the patent laws stan was able to patent something that worked, to use something other than what was in the patent. stan was a business man.

Since it is now public, and it is in the public domain, we now know that when stan ran his car on hydroxy he used 12.5 volts at 40 amps, 500 watts. He also stated that each tube was 12.5 volts 4.4 amps, 55 watts. he used 9 tubes meaning all 9 tubes at 55 watts adds up to be 500 watts. and this is the vic as you will also find in the documents that has been leaked into the public domain. The amount of gas produced was 7 liters in 1 min, 116cc's  a ssecond, or around 12 cc's a tube, "that was no lie"

Please i wish someone would lay something on the table, This could save me the trouble..

Gas is high, and its getting higher... you people are about to see a change in this world for the worse.. gas prices will never go down, they will go up until gas runs out or something takes over and thats the fact.

I pointed out to you a few post back what you should be learning, if you're unsure that you are right about something, then you probably don't know. if you are sure you know, then you know.  Stan knew he needed a master patent way before he ever ever got his first patent, he was a business man! Stan told you CLEARLY that he used the KISS METHOD.

Stan did not Get a patent "running a car on water," Stan got several Small patents "it was thought out." ("you cant patent a car that runs on water") in the end when the master patent put all the small patents together, it was one big patent saying a car can run on water.. so all these patents put together runs a car on water! and stan then own the rights to this technology.

("stans goal was to slick the patent office") and thats just what he did! for that, he has the impossible patent, the patent it took him so long to get! he knew they would not give him the patent he wanted so he found a way to get it! he had this all thought out before he ever patented anything... he knew what he wanted.. if stan was alive and his technology was in use, he would be leader of the world! he would carry the most money. The people did not realize what stan had until the Master patent came along, it was then they seen what had happened, this is how it worked.

what does all this have to do with this post? well, you're picking a very small patent, the resonate water patent, and you're are trying to run a car on it ignoring all the other patents. there is more than 1 way to do the same thing, you don't have to use a hammer to drive a nail, the hammer can be substituted. The hammer is so simple and it works great! "it drives the nail right in," but its not your invention! so you create whats called a nail gun, and that is yours when you patent it! so now the nail gun shows another way it can be done and if you choose to use the nail gun then you can accomplish the same job!

my point is its hard to patent something thats so known, and simple, without new ways of doing something already done, there would have been no stan meyer patents, but stan is the one that brought forth Pulsed DC and took it up a level, but if you think water resonate and boil out of a cell then you're out of your flippin mind, stan will look you in the eye and tell you he has a resonate cavity, and he does, it does resonate, for that he wins this patent. but just because the water resonates doesn't mean thats what he used, in the way he did make the water resonate, but the fact is it was proved and used to gain the patent he needed.

in the end, you will see that every methode stan used was possible, and nothing he did was overunity or mind blowing. but he had to blow minds to get this technology where he got it.

a good example is:  A man in an ice cube for 3 days, in this cube he is free to move around. Due to the weather outside the worker men has to keep the ice cold or it will melt. The man proves that he can stay in that tube for 3 days, you can see him in the tube shaking, he looks like he is going to die.

people watch, and they wait, 3 days passes and the cube is cut apart, and the workers pull the suffering man from the cube. the onlookers wonders if he will make it. The man lives and he proved that he "survive the cube." What you did not see is each time the workers blowed the cube to keep it from melting is his twin opened the door beneth his feet, as the ice was fogged by the workers you cant see in this cube, the twin brother would then rais up behind him as he makes his way down the hole, there is a room there with a refrigerator and tv where he gets to sleep and relax for 2 hours at a time, the brothers switch up every hour or so, so they dont freez.

Now, the man that was cut out from the cube, was he a liar? NO, he made it threw the 3 days.

the point is, you don't see everything, if it seems to good to be true, thats because it is.

you know the man was in the cube for 3 days, and for someone to tell you that he could not have been it would make you mad, because you sit there and you watched it! even though the skeptic "doctor" cant prove that he was not in the tube for 3 days he still has enough sense and knowledge to know its impossible.

so the doctor cant prove it, and the believer cant be skeptic from what he seen with his own eyes. But the fact is, The hammer method was used to fool you and make the doctor ask questions in which he can not figure out. The doctor knows this can not be done, but it was done right in front of his eyes, the doctor scratches his head and ponders in wonder. No lie was told.

But, it COULD resonate to infinity IF the electronics would allow it!

cars do run on water so does diesels! to run a diesel on water all you have to do is get the engine hot and switch over to water.. This has been tested and it worked. Even stanley meyer later own used a direct water injector to run his engine 125 psi directly into the cylinder chamber.  The problem is when you run directly off water your engine does not hold up. from what i've herd from a local source is a diesel engine will only last about 3 months.

i'm unsure of what hydrogen gas will do to an engine but it want be no where near as bad as using pure water. Bob boyce uses additives and he conditions his cells well.  it takes him many days to do this and Sometimes if you get a contaminated conditioning process you have to start all back over. bobs cell produces a crapload of hydrogen but his hydrogen is different than the hydrogen you would produce without using additives. it appears like there is a lack of oxygen when additives are used.

 i've herd that bob said at a certain frequency the hydrogen does change but i'm still unclear of what the change may be, it still cant compare to clean hydrogen. When you condition a cell like that and you apply the right wave forms like bob has applied then you do get a burst of hydroxy but this burst requires additives, our enemy. so therefor there is certain area's where bobs setup is very benifitable over normal electrolysis.

bobs setup also requires neutral plates, without additives his setup would not work period. The reason bobs cell is so energy efficient is because when he applies the pure Dc power to the plates the take a great charge made possible from the additives, there's something odd happening with his cell when he does this, and it works. bob then applies another wave on top of that pure dc wave to break the bonds of water. Why cant this be done without additives? it can, you havent found the proper cell setup yet.

for this to be true with out additives there must be a no additive cell, meaning, a cell that is in series that will conduct and take a charge without additives.. when you find this cell, you can do what bob does without additives and your hydroxy will be clean. but producing the hydrogen and knowing what to do with it is another story. with bobs setup you produce it and use it directly after its produced. bobs gas is great on demand. each way has their advantages. but bob is real and has spent much time in doing this gas from water stuff. its understandable that bob uses additives, this is his way of doing things.

there's more to stans technology than what i' have offered to the public, and  there's nothing wrong with mixing magic tricks into this technology like stan has done. my research is mostly done by me alone where my sidekicks gets lured away and sometimes i do get thrown but i always manage to pull things back together. it's like a weed that messes with your head but  the buzz can go away if you put the pipe down, and  the longer you let the pipe be the clearer things get.

it would be good for many of you to go back and learn how the atom was found and the history behind it. who and how the little atom was discovered anyways? how did they know electrons exist and who discovered that and how?

back to my hole lol.

i've taken the email down, even if it doesn't help.

from now on, any emails i find will be removed.

just to help you understand, this is how the alternator works, the stator is constantly changing states when you hit harmonics. bob has 3 primary coils and one secondary, if you pulse all 3 primarys then the secondary will change states very fast, its clearly the fields we're after here "i think"

yeah turtle, everone always says the talking to bob.... i cant never figure out how to contact the man? anyhow... if you havent already droven up there when you do get there, ask bob what does he think about using full rectified 3 phase harmonics with his torroide.

i have seen that when a coil changes polarity it creates a sort of magnetic field, i think of it as electric fields but others refere to it is potential magnetics. if it is these fields we're after then pulsing the primary of bobs setup with 3 phase till you get harmonics would be the way to go?

harmonics is when all coils are changing states very rapidly in tune with each other, i say in tune, but each coil changes polarity one right after the other, this is a steady flow of potential magnetics or electric fields, whatever you want to call it.