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Aaron Murakami wrote:

http://www.johnbedini.net/john34/history.htm

"So the whole time Rick and his friends come to visit they take my information and pass it around like playing cards. It was later found out that they were making my oscillators and selling them without permission, nor would I ever give them permission, You the people be the judge of what was going on with this gang." - John Bedini

ZPDM wrote:

Tom C's comment is cogent and apropos. Who is it that started this? Let's all go to the AG and say "I bought a free energy device and it didn't work, what are you going to do for me?" That'll work out well. I don't want to focus on some dispute with whoever this guy Rick is and JB. JB gave us a lot to look at and enjoy learning from, hopefully honours him to continue to take a look at it and not focus on some one who apparently wanted to play monkey business with John's work.

nilrehob wrote:

It was my intention to post it all in one post. When that didn't work I tried to post it in pieces. I had such problem with the second part/post that I had to shorten and shorten to make it fit that I finally gave up thinking that there was some other problem. This was the only solution I could come up with. I don't want/need any traffic to my site. But this was on energetic forum. When I got here I had already given up on posting it in one big post. I will make a try below.

/Hob

Tom C wrote:

Faraday,

the mans a snake oil salesmam, a liar, and a fraud.

Tom C

Tom C wrote:

Justice,

I am all for seeing rck removed from the free energy community. with that being said can I please know who this is. you can send me a private message if you wish.

Regards,

Tom C

Aaron Murakami wrote:

Thanks for sharing that here - a great topic!

An attempt to figure out what S1R9A9M9's circuit was is what led me to developing my plasma ignition method. If you look at his convoluted diagram he posted that hardly anyone could figure out - it is basically connecting the half rectified out put of an inverter over the spark plug gap - and it was a large appliance relay that made the right connections. When the hv spark is made, the lower voltage high current from that inverter jumps the gap and that is what his ignition is.

Everyone claimed the inverter was needed to make the effect and some tried with capacitors. Capacitors worked, but they also thought it had to be connected to the inverter still to get the effect. Because of John Bedini's old diagrams of the Gray motor with the reversed diode at the top of the HV rod, I instantly knew all those explanations were false and posted the first evidence ever showing the capacitor could be charged with a power source and be completely disconnected from the power source (free floating potential) and then applied to the ignition coil and it worked. So not only did it prove the connection to the inverter (ac power source) was irrelevant to the effect, it also proved that I could simultaneously use the same capacitor as the input power source to the primary of the ignition coil and also act as the low voltage source that would jump the gap after the hv spark was made.

I don't know what "other capacitor discharge method" you are talking about that is supposed to be "too fast for proper operation", but my own method is of course extremely fast - but the primary plasma discharge method is basically the same as what S1R was doing wit his circuit.

That plasma doesn't necessarily expand water, it instantly dissociates the hydrogen from oxygen so that is where the expansion comes from, then the hydrogen detonates very fast and very hot and that is what ignites the rest of the freed hydrogen and further dissociates more hydrogen from water, etc...

Revizal was the first to use this kind of plasma ignition to run an engine just on water after all these experiments and it was a small motorbike engine. It ran on tap water for maybe 20-30 seconds. But the plasma needs to be pretty big for that to the point it will destroy plugs fast and will explode and chip other pieces of metal it touches - most likely like the edges of valves, etc... So running an engine on water is not a problem if you have a big enough discharge but will simultaneously destroy your plug and engine. I would like to see that S1R engine torn apart and examined to see what the longer term situation is.

Here is an old "choking" method that I posted years ago from Ralph Bergstresser, a friend of Tesla:

It can extend the time that the spark is at the gap.

Do you have a pic or video of the Georgia man's methods?

FirebrandOne wrote:

Running a car on water is the hope of many people in the alternative community and I’m no different. People have studied Stan Meyers tech and replicated it with varying degrees of success, the Waterfuelcell demands a skilled level of craftsmanship – 316 L stainless steel pipes have to tuned inner and outer and all pipes in a cell must all be tuned together – no easy task then the electronics must be built and if installing in a car an alternator must be married to the system, the frequency of the pulsating coil must match all the tuned pipes, the pipes must be conditioned for a long period of time, then there is the issue of maintaining resonance – is there not? It’s all quite demanding but will such a system produce the varying amount of HHO gas needed for a varying engine speed? Has anyone had success with the Water Injector Plug that Stan developed also?
Is a car running 100 % on water running on hydrogen? In the Waterfuelcell it probably is but what about a standard electrolyser that assists in improving mpg, the Browns gas researcher George Wiseman states there is an exotic component of standard electrolysers gas output which he calls Electrical Expanded Water which is neither steam or HHO gas, it is heavier than air, it can be identified by filling two empty pop bottles (say 2 liters) with Browns Gas, this is done by filling the bottles with water and putting the outlet pipe from a Browns gas (HHO) generator to fill the inverted bottles under water, allow the gas to fill each bottle then place both bottles upright, take your thumb off the mouth of one bottle and apply a flame immediately – a loud bang is heard and the bottle is collapsed. The second bottle has its cap removed and allowed to sit for ten minutes then a flame is applied now a whoof sound is heard – this is an implosion reaction of the Electrically Expanded Water as the hydrogen has left the bottle soon after the cap is removed, it is this component of Browns gas that contributes to the much improved mpg (there is also hydrogen produced and it contributes also but to a lesser extent. Anyone interested in seriously running a car on water should be familiar with Patrick Kelly’s free - energy – info.co.uk chap 10
On page 138 Patrick describes Archie Blue’s generator which looks somewhat similar to a standard one except it has circular plates with holes, the plates are wired in parallel! rather than the expected series, a central pipe is positioned so as to allow air out of the bottom of the generator and dislodge the clinging Browns gas bubbles but also to fulfil the much more important role of cavitating the water and creating Charged Water Clusters as the researcher Moray King calls it, this is the Electrically Expanded Water, it is the manipulation of this exotic component of browns gas that will lead to an internal combustion engine being run on water without the need for a high level of technological input I believe. It is said that Archie Blue had six of these generators to run a car on water in New Zealand. Listen to Moray King describe his understanding of this technology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa2s...s&spfreload=10

phatdilac wrote:

The Magnetization of particles part of his EPG system is highly coded

PradeepKumar wrote:

Great concepts!! But once they are implemented and run successfully it will definitely create a great impact and to the downside we may lack most of the water resources.

wheatbelt.radio wrote:

aony speak french ? i tried !...

lindermans COP 17 ansile heater works great, i got COP 10 using PWM and basic generic components, great stuff, please support my development into a product

https://igg.me/at/free-heat

Aaron Murakami wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm starting this thread first to lay out in Stan Meyer's own words what his process is and how nitrogen is the key to making his water fuel.

If you believe contrary - DO NOT POST HERE - go start another thread and discuss resonant circuits, etc... this thread is to explain the very key that makes a real fuel that can be used in an engine.

So many people are fixated on the water cells, but only a very small handful of people are paying attention to his earlier work that reveals his secret.

First of all, this all comes down to burning the water gas. But as most of us know, a "HHO" gas from a common ducted water cell will just give you a quick pop and you cannot sustain a flame. I'm not talking about a pressurized Brown's Gas torch flame, I'm talking about a slower and cooler burning flame that allows you to get the thermal energy from the water fuel. Stan Meyer was very, very clear about this throughout his work over the entire course of time that he was involved in this research and development.

He said that to control the burn rate of the water fuel, you have to mix non-combustible gases with it. That includes non-combustible gases from 1) the water has 17%+ dissolved gases according to him, 2) from the ambient air going into the intake, and 3) from the exhaust gases recycling back to mix with the water gas - of course that exhaust gas will contain non-combustible gases from sources 1 & 2.

I had a special interest in nitrogen from some other technologies so that was in the back of my mind as being a possibility and that dealt mostly with allotropic or active nitrogen. That is essentially ionized nitrogen atoms that are heavily positively charged. It was brought to my attention a few years ago that NITROGEN was the non-combustible gas that Meyer was talking about specifically. The nitrogen alarm went off, I re-looked at Stan Meyer's work, and there it was plain as day - NITROGEN indeed IS the non-combustible gas that Meyer was referring to. It certainly wasn't the 1% trace gases that some "experts" are claiming.

When plain HHO is ignited, it detonates instead of actually giving any real thermal combustion. The atoms and molecules just combine instantly to form a water molecule and there was a shrinkage in the volume that the gasses occupied. HHO is a mixture of about a dozen hydrogen based molecules and atoms and oxygen based molecules and atoms. It is not just a re-arranged water molecule. It works wonders as a torch flame and as a fuel supplement, but for fuel supplementation, the real benefit is coming form the reactive oxygen molecules stripping electrons from the hydrocarbon molecules breaking them into smaller pieces. That give you more BTU's our of the same amount of fuel that was put into the combustion chamber. This is the model that makes sense to me anyway and in any case, it is not the exact subject of this thread.

The water is always touted as being such a wonderful byproduct - BUT, what if... that is actually what robs you of the energy that is lying right there in the hydrogen and you only get a little teaser from it.

With electrolysis, nitrogen gases in the water also split to create atomic nitrogen. Nitrogen is normally very difficult to split and it has a triple electron bond - the strongest normal bond in nature. But when you do strip those electrons away, you can have a nitrogen atom that is +3 charge - it is a very strong vacuum cleaner for anything negatively charged such as some of the HHO molecules and atoms that happen to be negatively charged. Things seem to happen easier when done in water or with water. Sir Humphrey Davy said in 1807 that electrolytic hydrogen will bind with nitrogen in the presence of water when normal hydrogen will not!

Now when we dilute the HHO gases with nitrogen, much of this nitrogen is ionized through the combustion and electrolysis processes. When there is atomic nitrogen, the hydrogen can attach to it creating traces of ammonia (NH3), some oxygen can bond creating traces of nitrous oxide (N2O) and other molecules. Each molecule of this is one less water molecule that forms and you were able to get more thermal energy out of the same amount of water gas that if you didn't have the nitrogen dilution. This allows the water fuel (with nitrogen) to burn slower and cooler - you get the thermal energy out of it - real combustion and not a quick Brown's Gas pop.

The slow burning flames from water are the foundation of Stan Meyer's work - this is his logo. It all started with this. That is not Brown's Gas torch flames rising from the water, those are slow burning "candle flames", which is what you want for a sole fuel for an engine and not just a supplement. It's been in front of everybody's eyes since the beginning. As the only fuel, and to get enough combustion so that the engine can give enough power to turn a generator to create enough electricity to make enough fuel, this process is what is required according to Stan Meyer. This idea is embodied in every single part of his work with water fuel.


(Stan Meyer's Logo)

Stanley Meyer says word for word: "the velocity of hydrogen is so great that the hydrogen ensuing from a nozzle will not under ordinary circumstances sustain a flame. Therefore, to sustain a flame at a nozzle attached to a hydrogen generator the burning velocity of the hydrogen gas must be reduced. "

This is where it starts when it comes to understanding what Stan Meyer was up to - "...the burning velocity of the hydrogen gas must be reduced."

• and other non-volatile gasses such as oxygen and nitrogen. The hydrogen gas with the attendant non-volatile gasses in a controlled ratio are fed via a line to a controlled air intake system. The combined hydrogen, non-volatile gasses, and the air after intermixing are fed to a combustion chamber wherein the mixture is ignited. The exhaust gasses of the combustion chamber are returned in a closed loop arrangement to the mixing chamber for the mixture of volatile as the non-combustible gasses.
• [0006] More specifically, the generated hydrogen gas is fed to a gas mixing chamber, wherein the hydrogen gas is inter- mixed with non-combustible gasses. The mixture is fed to a carburator (air intake mixture) system.
• [0007] The gas mixture is'fed through nozzle to chamber in a jet spray. Valve or gate controls the amount of air intake to the jet spray. The gasses combine with the air to form a gas mixture of hydrogen, non-volatile gas, and oxygen. The mixture now combustible, but not volatile, is entered into a combustion chamber"

Meyer defines non-volatile NITROGEN as a non-volatile gas.

He also defines the non-volatile gases as being synonymous with using the term non-combustible gases.

The gases combine with AIR to form a gas mixture of hydrogen, non-volatile gas (NITROGEN) and oxygen. The mixture now combustible, but NOT VOLATILE, is not entered into the combustion chamber.

Plain water gas from the cell is EXTREMELY VOLATILE. That is just the way the so-called HHO gas is. It becomes NON-VOLATILE by blending it with NITROGEN! And THAT is the key to how he ran an engine on water, air and electricity. He wasn't making big amounts of gas. He started off with common flat plated electrolysis cells with pulsed DC. No VIC and all the resonance business. That all came after and is NOT foundational to the real foundation of Stan Meyer's technology. the real foundation is a simple pulsed dc electrolysis cell gas production is diluted with NITROGEN. Without the nitrogen, the water gas is very volatile and is not in the preferred combustible state that is needed for an engine. And you can take a look at adding a magnetic coil around the pipes as well as applying a vacuum to the cell, but this is the basic concept.

Look at this nozzle...





You can see the HHO from the bottom blends with ambient air and then it gets burned. The exhaust from the flame goes to the environment and some is recaptured to go dilute the hho and ambient air mix to be reburned.

Aaron Murakami wrote:

Here's an early preview of the press release and you can even watch a video Peter and I did that we're not releasing until tomorrow. Remember, the Advanced book won't be available on the website until tomorrow at 10am.
Legacy of a World-Class Inventor & HumanitarianBedini SG. The finale to this paradigm-shattering trilogy teaches the reader how to convert the mechanical work produced on the wheel into even more electricity, in an extremely efficient way. As a matter of fact, it is so efficient that at the recent 2014 Energy Science & Technology Conference, Peter Lindemann was able to demonstrate how to light a large bank of LEDs to a very bright level without reflecting almost any mechanical load back to the machine.

Bedini SG

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Aaron Murakami wrote:

Yesterday, Peter and I did a video going through a lot of details on all three books including a basic demo. It's about 1 hour 15 minutes and will be on bedinisg.com after we launch the Advanced book on Thursday. I might post a link to it here before there so you can see it ahead of time.

The Advanced book package will include:

• Peter Lindemann's presentation from the 2014 Energy Science & Technology Conference showing a full demo and giving a presentation explaining quite a bit about the machine - all completely relevant to the Advanced book.
• Details on the Watson Machine that have never been released.
• How we get the machine to switch into higher speeds than normal - so higher RPM, more output for less input - and that is different from the benefit in the next bullet point!!!
• How we are able to increase the output of the machine by 100% by only increasing the input draw by 50%.
• And of course quite a bit more than that!

5 Days to go until November 2nd, 2014 when we make it available.

The combo special for the Beginner's and Intermediate book will disappear and all three books will be available individually or as a complete 3 book package.

Bradley Malone wrote:

Just had a quick thought and realized i have never seen AYTHING about it before. Crystal batteries and lead alum batterys and what not have been shown to output power over great deals of time. This leads most to believe they are some sort of perpetual power equilibrium device. the thought i had is...Has anyone ever tried to put normal power through the crystal battery to see how it changes what comes out. seeing as it is a battery of sorts in series with a power supply it would add voltage of course but what i am wondering is if this is acting something like a negative resistor that i had watched a video on before. In this video they show that puting carbon some way accross another carbon strip caused a larger flow of current then they put in the other. if the battery is already doing this to the environment causing the small energy we see out...could we maybe put 10v at 500ma into a crystal battery and get out 10v at 1 amp or something.

If anyone has seen any test done like this please point me in the right direction. would also be interesting to try this with a radiant discharge....insted of charging a cap with you ssg plug it into a crystal battery...see what happens!?!?

Faraday88 wrote:

There is much more to the Invereted Circuitary of Bedini-Cole Switching.. this is in fact the basis of other Inventions including E.V Gray, Stanley meyer, Xogen Power inc. ect.
Interestingly , Mr. Ismael aviso is has adpoted the Low Inpedance version of this..

Rgds,
Faraday88.