Produce gold
Started by Franco malgarini · · 15 posts · last reply 31 January 2013
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Fusione nucleare fredda - WikipediaFranco malgarini wrote:
Dr Joe CHAMPION -- Transmutation -- Phonon Resonance
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There is NO reason to believe any of Joe Champion's claims. Phonon resonance is bogus and only something he uses to give his licensing money making scheme credibility.
Dr Champion goldmaking scam
If he could make gold as he claimed, he would not be asking people for money to get a "license" to use his process to make gold. Let's use some of that common sense that God gave us.
This so called method of Joe Champion of turning silver to gold was described by Fulcanelli almost a hundred years ago but Fulcanelli properly called it nascent gold. Meaning it is "baby" gold that has to be further matured. It is NOT fully formed gold and can not be made in large quantities anyways as described.
Bedini does a much better job of explaining things and he is at least an honest man not seeking to gouge people out of their hard earned money. Though his use of Walter Russell theories to explain what is happening is disagreeable, he does do well in explaining the digestion process to extract the "seed" of metals. But this is all alchemical knowledge going back to the time of Noah at least. Get the seed and give it fertile ground to grow. Simple.
TRANSMUTATION
But, if you really want to make new minerals or whatever, why not just do it as God explained in Genesis?
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
If you know God exist, follow His Commandments and ask Him, He would answer your questions if they are in accordance with His will.
But if you don't even know that God created the world and how He did it, maybe you should find out who God is first.
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I read a few years ago that the US is already producing gold.
The way they do it is very simple:
1 - take a bar of Tungsten
2 - add a small layer of Gold
3 - sell it to the Chinese
They have been successful for a number of years.
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Actually, anyone with experience buying and selling gold in the US knows the exact opposite is true. Never buy gold with a "Made in China" stamp. If you order gold from China, they will ask if you want real or plated and how would you like that stamped? The choice is yours! Customer service with a smile. Just a little tip when perusing the jewelry store.
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SilverToGold wrote:
There is NO reason to believe any of Joe Champion's claims. Phonon resonance is bogus and only something he uses to give his licensing money making scheme credibility.
Dr Champion goldmaking scam
If he could make gold as he claimed, he would not be asking people for money to get a "license" to use his process to make gold. Let's use some of that common sense that God gave us.
This so called method of Joe Champion of turning silver to gold was described by Fulcanelli almost a hundred years ago but Fulcanelli properly called it nascent gold. Meaning it is "baby" gold that has to be further matured. It is NOT fully formed gold and can not be made in large quantities anyways as described.
Bedini does a much better job of explaining things and he is at least an honest man not seeking to gouge people out of their hard earned money. Though his use of Walter Russell theories to explain what is happening is disagreeable, he does do well in explaining the digestion process to extract the "seed" of metals. But this is all alchemical knowledge going back to the time of Noah at least. Get the seed and give it fertile ground to grow. Simple.
TRANSMUTATION
But, if you really want to make new minerals or whatever, why not just do it as God explained in Genesis?
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
If you know God exist, follow His Commandments and ask Him, He would answer your questions if they are in accordance with His will.
But if you don't even know that God created the world and how He did it, maybe you should find out who God is first.
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Silvertogold, I've read your posts, and I respectfully disagree here.
Russell's work and artwork artfully describes the seed matieral john bedini uses. (At least, the seeds I think he uses)
I like that you reference the bible, because I've been reading it in regards to transmutation.
Can you begin to articulate how God uses magnetic feilds (His still light) to transmute water into other minerals?
I'd like to start this discussion. You seem to know what you're talking about most of the time.
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Also, those three DVD's, as well as Milewski's "growing gold from glass" were very informative. Have you seen them all? If you have, let's chat.
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Russell got his information from demonic sources... can one really trust what devils have to say about anything, mixing truth with lies. All John really said was that Russell said you change the frequencies of the material and it transmutes to other material of some "higher" or "lower" frequency. How was this quantified? How were these "frequencies" measured? What do any of these frequencies even mean? NOTHING! I can look at the periodic chart and draw some obtuse relationship, does this make it true? Nope.
Russell never made any useable technology. Lots of babble that sounds nice but where's the beef? Where's the physical hardcore results? I challenge anyone to show me anything that is provable from Russell's work.
If you look at what the old alchemist said, they never used words like frequency shift or this or that and they were plenty smart.
And this method JB was using was from the old alchemists. This is why it is called the "seed" material, because this is exactly how the alchemist saw it, that they were getting the metallic "seed" material from the ores and planting it in a metallic "soil" to grow. Russell's theory has no "seed" material ideology in it! This is not Walter Russell's work but simple alchemical seed extraction.
The Bible quote from Genesis is EXACLY as it says. God's word is perfect and who am I to add to it? There is no hidden schemes in it. There is no extra information you need. You just need to understand basic creation (go research Kent Hovind and what he says about how God created the world) and use some common sense that God gave us all to fill in the gaps. It's all there and always has been but since most people think themselves so wise and the Bible of little value they miss it completely. I leave it to anyone to research for themselves. Foremost, follow God's Commandments, accept Jesus's as your Saviour, pray and ask God for help in understanding is the best advice I can give.
And no, I have no idea how God did it so I can not provide you with a theory of why it works. I just know that is how it was done because God said so.
petar113507 wrote:
Silvertogold, I've read your posts, and I respectfully disagree here.
Russell's work and artwork artfully describes the seed matieral john bedini uses. (At least, the seeds I think he uses)
I like that you reference the bible, because I've been reading it in regards to transmutation.
Can you begin to articulate how God uses magnetic feilds (His still light) to transmute water into other minerals?
I'd like to start this discussion. You seem to know what you're talking about most of the time.
==Romo -
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The guy that gave Milewski that gold was murdered. Someone broke into his lab and killed him, thinking perhaps that he had a hoard of gold. The truth is that it took him about 2 years to get that little gold.
But I would not be making gold or such if I were you, good way to get killed.
I study alchemy for medicinal reasons and the Bible because none of this stuff maters anyways. Jesus is soon to return and who is ready? Most will be caught off guard and they will be throwing all of their gold and silver into the streets because they have lost the greatest treasure of all time, eternity with God!
REVEALING GOD'S TREASURE - RON WYATT - YouTube
Final Events of Bible Prophecy - YouTube
Matthew 6:19-21
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
petar113507 wrote:
Also, those three DVD's, as well as Milewski's "growing gold from glass" were very informative. Have you seen them all? If you have, let's chat. -
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According to what I've heard it is indeed some sort of nascent gold... the weight of the stuff is off somehow. It does create some interesting effects though. Apparently one guy paid Champion a couple thousand dollars and Champion told him to alloy together copper and aluminum in a certain ratio... yielding gold colored aluminum copper alloy. Before that it was resonating (heating) aluminum at 303C, and before that it was mixing yeast and silver.
Does anybody have any methods of achieving this? That is, producing Au via transmutation? I am very interested in this. Just post here or PM.
I know of a way that works (confirmed by two people), but I need assistance from someone with an HHO torch because there are some unknown factors that prevent it from working. Basically I need more data to resolve this problem. If interested just PM me. Cost <$20 if you already have the torch. -
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The only one who correctly says that it is nascent gold is Fulcanelli in his "The Dwelling of the Philosophers" written before 1920.
The only thing needed to "make" this nascent gold is to dissolve silver in Nitric Acid. There will be little black flecks in the bottom of the vile and this is the nascent gold. The thing is that nowhere is it told how to fully mature this "baby" gold. Though the process given above may be the key to this. I don't know how to do it. But neither does Joe Champion!
The nascent gold is yellow, it is insoluble in Nitric Acid, insoluble in HCl, soluble in aqua regia (giving a yellow color as gold trichloride), can be precipitated when dissolved in aqua regia by zinc. It has all the properties of gold but one, it is not as dense as gold - though it is denser than silver.
The other thing is that this process can NOT be done on an industrial scale. The amount of this baby gold produces is in an inverse relation to the amount of silver dissolved. The larger amount of silver you dissolve, the less of this nascent gold is produced.
Not only this but this baby gold can revert back to silver if you aren't careful with it.
So all sorts of test will show gold.... but it is not really gold at all and no one (esp Champion) knows, much less is willing to tell, how to get real gold out of it.
An interesting experiment but no gold!
The yeast experiment of Champions is nothing more than silver toning.
Champion has never made a gram of gold from his "phonon resonance" technology but did make many thousands of dollars from people giving their hard earned cash for his gold license. Though I will admit that he does know how to increase the amount of nascent gold, he has no idea how to mature it.
Champion's early experiment with black sand and high heat combustion did produce real gold but the amount of gold produces is very small and the smoke is radioactive. Some of the early experimenters died from the radiation when they inhaled the smoke.
Plenty of ways to die messing with things you don't know anything about. If the feds and local crooks don't do you in, your own ignorance will.
crestind wrote:
According to what I've heard it is indeed some sort of nascent gold... the weight of the stuff is off somehow. It does create some interesting effects though. Apparently one guy paid Champion a couple thousand dollars and Champion told him to alloy together copper and aluminum in a certain ratio... yielding gold colored aluminum copper alloy. Before that it was resonating (heating) aluminum at 303C, and before that it was mixing yeast and silver. -
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This is the first time I've heard of the radioactive smoke from his thermal burns. In any event his processes don't work or are wildly impractical. He's conned many out of thousands. -
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Are you referring to people who take lead and heat it with an HHO torch? I saw one report where it says that it transmuted it to a sizeable quantity of gold but where they ever able to get it out of the lead? Unless someone has a gold bar that they made, I wouldn't trust any lab results. May be a surface effect.
People like to call this fake ..
Lead into Gold - Your basic alchemy - YouTube
but I'm not so sure.
crestind wrote:
Does anybody have any methods of achieving this? That is, producing Au via transmutation? I am very interested in this. Just post here or PM.
I know of a way that works (confirmed by two people), but I need assistance from someone with an HHO torch because there are some unknown factors that prevent it from working. Basically I need more data to resolve this problem. If interested just PM me. Cost <$20 if you already have the torch.
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