rickoff

Good advice, Peter

You're absolutely right, Peter. Google has a great search engine, and I like to keep a Google Advanced Search tab open at all times in my Vista browser. Whatever you have in mind, Google can find many references to it very quickly. I know that you are surely very proficient at using advanced search techniques, Peter, but to Dambit and others who are less experienced with search engines, this should help:

In an advanced search, you can narrow your results so that they are more apt to directly apply to what you have in mind. For example, if you use the exact phrase "Magnesium sheet" along with the word Hydrogen in the All these words pane, this will narrow your search to 732 results. If you also add the word supplier to the All these words pane, you will narrow your search to 216 results, and you will find a wealth of information about suppliers of magnesium sheet metal made specifically for Hydrogen storage and Hydrogen generation applications.

Incidentally, it is interesting to note that Francisco Pacheco used sea water in his hydrogen generator. Daniel Dingel also used sea water in creating hydrogen. Sea water naturally contains magnesium, and much of the magnesium produced in the U.S. comes from electrolysis of fused magnesium chloride derived from sea water. Perhaps the magnesium in sea water is a boosting factor to hydrogen which allows sea water to burn with a 2,000 degree flame when exposed to John Kanzius's Radio Frequency Generator (see YouTube - John Kanzius - Saltwater Burns ).

Note that positively charged sodium ions and negatively charged chloride ions are the most abundant ions of sea salt, and are the third and fourth most abundant of the 13 constituents of sea water, directly following hydrogen and oxygen, while magnesium is the fifth. We know that sodium and chloride (from Hydrochloric Acid as a result of volcanic venting to sea water) are both useful in electrolytes. It is a known fact that magnesium will react with diluted acids to liberate hydrogen. Sea water has diluted acids, but overall is slightly more alkaline than human blood on the Ph scale.

Just some tidbits - food for thought and discussion - from an old salt,

Rickoff

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CaptainScat, that's a great article on the 1959 Opel T-1 achieving 376.59 mpg in a 1973 contest sponsored by Shell Oil Company. Something does seem wrong, though, with the writer's statement that, "The previous record of 49.73 m.p.g. was broken in 1939 by a 1947 Studebaker achieving mileage of 147 m.p.g." According to that statement, the Studebaker would not yet have existed, and furthermore the Pogue carburetor set a record of more than 200 miles per gallon in 1936 under testing conducted by the Ford Motor Company. Of course that doesn't take anything away from the Opel's achievement. Aside from reducing weight in the vehicle, and utilizing a chain drive, the fuel delivery system was what made this achievement possible. The fuel delivery line was heated and insulated such that only vapors entered the intake manifold. Pre heated fuel vapor has so much faster and powerful burn properties than liquid gas that only a very small amount is needed to fuel and sustain an internal combustion engine.

Now here's an interesting and related tidbit - I once read of a man whose lawnmower engine would not run because the carburetor had clogged. Frustrated, he took a short length of fuel line hose, stuck one end into the gas tank, and the other end into the throttle bore of the carburetor. He squirted in a shot of gas to get the engine started, and to his surprise it actually kept going! Checking the fuel line end inserted in the half filled tank, he noticed that the hose end was not down into the fuel. He pushed it down into the fuel, and the engine cut out. "How could the engine run without sucking in gas," he thought to himself, and wondered, "could the engine actually be running off the fumes?" Placing the hose end above the fuel level again, he started the engine. Again it ran fine. Curious to see how long it would keep going, he timed it and it ran for three hours!

I can remember taking a trip as a youngster, in my dad's 1955 Chrysler. It was late at night, the fuel gage was down on empty, and we hadn't seen any open gas stations. Miles before we ran out, my dad jokingly remarked, "I don't know what's keeping us going. The engine must be running on the fumes by now." He was probably right.


Dambit, thanks for mentioning the book. Actually, much of the information on the website list, referred to in the first post of this thread, comes from that book - Suppressed Inventions and other Discoveries by Brian O'Leary, Christopher Bird, Jeanne Manning, and Barry Lynes, Auckland Institute of Technology Press. Yes, Pacheco's Hydrogen adaptations are very interesting. According to a write up at Suppressed Energy Technologies, "Francisco Pacheco - an inventor from Bolivia created the 'Pacheco Bi-Polar Auto electric Hydrogen Generator' (US PAT #5,089,107) which separates hydrogen from seawater. He has built successful prototypes that have fueled a car, a motorcycle, a lawn mower, a torch, a boat, and most recently in 1990 he energized an entire home in West Milford. After many conferences (including U.N.) and public exhibitions proving the invention's worth, the wider community is still unable to utilize this technology." For a very thorough writeup on the Pacheco story, telling all that he did and all the suppression he faced, look here:
Francisco Pacheco: Hydrogen Generator -- article & patent

Thanks for the posts, and keep 'em coming! Rickoff

I ran a search here for "Suppressed Technologies," and found no results, so thought this thread would prove interesting and develop much discussion. In some threads there is discussion about a specific technology discovered in bygone days that never made it to the mainstream, and these stories prove to be very thought provoking. We build HHO generators for our vehicles in an attempt to reduce gasoline dependency, and we feel rather happy if we can say that we are now getting 40 to 60 miles per gallon. But our results are meager when compared to confirmed tests of carburetors developed by Charles Pogue (and patented in Canada) back in the 1930's, which delivered over 200 mpg! If you search US patents, there are literally hundreds of carburetion patents that claimed to deliver more than 100 mpg. Furthermore, fuel efficiency is just one example of technologies, and their inventors, that have been suppressed over many decades. I thought it would be interesting to look at these suppressions in a time line sequence, and was able to find a fairly decent representation at the link shown below. Someone did a lot of research to put all of this together, and added links to further information and patent documents, which makes it quite handy when delving further into a particular technology which is of especially high interest to the reader. This isn't a complete list, by any stetch of the imagination, but I am sure that anyone browsing through it will find something they weren't previously aware of. I would urge readers to use this thread to discuss the inventors and inventions that are listed, and to add listings (using same format of date, description, and reference links) of inventors and their inventions which are not included in the information given at the following link:

Suppressed Technoloties 2

Good browsing to you, Rickoff

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Lee and Ash,

Yes, if you look back through my posts you will see that I am aware of the Bob Boyce Prius conversion and the Silicon Chip magazine Prius conversions too, and also the reasons why I don't want to go either of those routes. Both conversions are expensive, and neither is a complete solution for me that would eliminate use of gasoline. That's why I would prefer to either use a battery charging solution, or convert to metal hydride Hydrogen storage cylinders - "Smart Tanks," as mentioned in my last post.

Any more ideas?


Thanks, Rick

Boyce setup

Hi Ash,

I have already looked into the Boyce 101 plate system, and have a copy of the d9.pdf document which provides full construction details. I downloaded that from the Peswiki site at and I know you also have that file at Panacea. At this point I'm not sure what I will actually end up deciding upon for my Prius conversion. Perhaps it will be a combination of things. There is absolutely no room in the engine compartment for the addition of any device larger than a harmonica, so if I use something like the Boyce system then it has to go inside the cargo area beneath the hatchback door. That worries me somewhat, because of the long routing of the HHO supply tube to the engine, which must either pass directly through the passenger area, or directly below it. Also, the only separation between the electrolyzer and the passenger area would be the back seat. And as I pointed out in my first post on this thread, I would still be buying gas. The Boyce electrolyzer is not a total solution. If I add a device of any size to my cargo area, then I would prefer to add something that is a battery charging device rather than a fuel device. And to that end I am open to all suggestions. If I can't come up with a suitable battery charging option for my 202 volt NiMh battery, then I will probably opt for using metal hydride hydrogen storage tanks that I can recharge at home. United Nuclear United Nuclear - Hydrogen Fuel Systems uses a set of 4 small tanks in the cargo area of their 350 Corvette to achieve a range of 350 miles on hydrogen only. They have developed a new "Smart Tank" system which should increase the Corvette's range to 450 miles. So just think of the range that my fuel thrifty Prius could achieve in comparison! I should be able to go 1,000 miles or more on 4 of the small tanks while another set is being recharged, and never buy gasoline again. This type of conversion would cost about half as much as the HyMotion LI battery pack addition mentioned in my last post. And if I use a Bedini machine and solar panels to power the Hydrogen generator then my refills will have zero cost beyond the initial investment. I am still open to any battery charging ideas, though, so will gladly consider any and all suggestions along those lines of thought.

Thanks, Ash, and best regards to all,

Rick

Re: Silicon Chip mag article

Hi Ash,

Thanks for the suggestion. I believe this is the article you are referring to:
Silicon Chip Online - How to get more than 100 MPG from a Toyota Prius

From what is described in the article leader on this page, the modification consisted of adding a large Lithium-Ion battery pack and using E-blocks and Flowcode as a control system. The result was a 100 mpg Prius.

Another Lithium-Ion battery pack conversion, by HyMotion, converts the Prius to a 100 to 150 mpg plug-in Hybrid. 150 MPG Toyota Prius with aftermarket lithium-polymer battery pack Recharging from home AC takes 6 hours, and allows you to drive 40 miles before the LI battery is depleted, at which time the stock Prius system takes over.

Now both of these aftermarket systems would be nice to have, but are very costly. The price of the HyMotion system, for example, is about $10,000 installed. My preference, as mentioned in my first post, is to find a way to keep the stock NiMh battery charged without using the gas engine to do that. I basically want to utilize a "free energy" device, either solid state or electromechanical, to keep my battery charged as I drive. It would have to be a device capable of maintaining a single battery which is always under load, so no battery swapping or on-off interruption pulsing cycles could be utilized in charging the 201.6 volt NiMh battery pack.

Any other ideas?

Added footnote: I did send an e-mail inquiry to Julian Edgar, and received a quick response from him advising me to look at the modification articles at AutoSpeed.com. I found a regenerative braking modification there that will yield better gas mileage during times when light braking activity occurs. See Browser Warning for the modification. I will incorporate that idea, however nearly all our driving is done under highway conditions requiring very little braking. I will continue my quest, and welcome all suggestions.

Best regards,

Rickoff

I have a 2007 Toyota Prius which I have been very happy with. I have averaged better than 54 miles per gallon of gas used, with no modifications to the original design. In looking ahead, though, I would like to be able to nearly eliminate the need for gasoline, and be able to run mainly with the electric motor. As a test, I took the Prius out on the highway at a speed of 65 miles per hour, and allowed the engine to run out of gas. I wanted to see how far I could then proceed on the 67 hp electric motor alone before the battery pack was depleted. I was able to go only 3 miles before this occurred, even though I slowly reduced my speed. I have read about conversions that replace the stock Panasonic 202 volt, 6.5 Amp-hour, 168 cell nickel metal hydride battery with one of greater capacity, and that utilize a home plug in attachment to maintain a relatively high charge prior to departing on the road, but such conversions are very expensive. One man I read about shelled out $32,000 to convert his brand new Prius. Also, once the higher capacity battery loses about half its charge, the gas engine will then kick in and work harder to maintain the charge. I have thought about Hydrogen boosting, as I currently do with my Mazda pickup truck, and that would definitely get me more miles per gallon. Even with Bob Boyce's Prius installation, though, he only achieved around 60 mpg at best. So I am wondering what might be the most cost effective way to keep my stock Panasonic battery optimally charged without relying on the gas engine. The Prius is designed to keep the battery charged to between 40% and 60% of capacity, as that provides for longest battery life of about 10 years. This also provides a reserve capacity to store energy from regenerative braking, which is important in the Prius. The Prius system actually uses two motor/generators to provide both motive and regenerative power. So without changing any of that, it seems that if I could maintain the battery at say 55 percent of charge with some added charging device, the gas engine would not need to kick in at all, except for high speed, hill climbing, and acceleration assistance requirements. For those reading this post, what would you suggest as the most cost effective method of maintaining the battery charge? Perhaps a self-oscillating solid state device? I'd love to hear what John Bedini, Tom Bearden, and Peter Lindemann would suggest, and I welcome thoughts from all interested forum members.

My best regards to all,

Rickoff

Hi Aaron,

I think you are right about the swirling golden light being the same type of reaction as in the 1920 J Strutt experiments, and Marinov's SAP tube, and that the gas used in the "donut tube" configuration is probably Nitrogen. Are you thinking of utilizing the effect for an experiment? One thing to take note of is that the strength of the swirling yellow light is increased by cooling the nitrogen, not by heating it, and that the yellow light is activated and sustained after the capacior/inductor discharge.

Interesting link to the EMB's Aaron. These are really high-revving units! The high revs are made possible by frictionless magnetic bearings, which levitate the rotor shaft, and the high revs are what make the kinetic storage in a lightweight flywheel successful. Great output to input efficiency of 95%. Only problem I see with these is that the cost to build or buy them would be very high, and you would need about 20 of these EMB's (each the size of a large size coffee can) to power an electric motor vehicle for a range of 200 miles, and then you need a way to recharge the EMB's when taveling - a "charging station" infrastructure. That's the downside. Once again, the companies that build and control these recharging stations would control the cost of recharging, and we would be at their mercy. Bummer!

By the way, the "donut tube" configuration brings to mind something I heard Jim Sabori mention in his Papp engine video. He was showing the inside of the long chamber from the top, and then flipped it over (end to end) to show what he called the "donut" chamber. I believe that was in the segment near the end of the video, where they disassembled the parts down to the engine block.

Best regards, Rick

Spark plug conversion to plasma fired water injector

Hi folks,

This Firestorm Plug thread started me thinking about a tech note that was posted May 12th in the files section at WaterFuel1978 : Water Fuel

The tech note describes and shows a homemade conversion of a spark plug to a dual anode coaxial plasma fired water injector plug. The prototype looks like it could definitely work, and might be worth considering for experimentation and enhancement. The author is freely sharing the concept, and there is no patent pending. DUAL ANODE COAXIAL INJECTOR.pdf

Anyone interested?

Best regards, Rickoff