Neight

This sounds like a pretty great tool for making rotors. You could print them out already balanced and centered, and even have fitted slots for magnet placement. Take all of the guess work and measuring/cutting out of rotor building.
I showed some of those links to my wife, and even she wants to get one, so looks like it's time to save some pennies and plan out exactly which one to get

There are loads of possibilities with something like that, and if you could print with conductive plastics, that opens things up even more!

hello MonsieurM
sorry if this isn't relavent to your post, but I couldn't read the whole thing just yet, I am not feeling well, and having a hard time concentrating. very interesting thread though, and I will be coming back to catch up when I feel better!
I hope this helps or is at least useful to you. I found this a few months ago, and never got around to reading the whole thing, but it claims to be a philosophers stone recipe
from what I have read of it, it sounds very interesting, but I got distracted from it, and forgot about it completely until I saw this thread today.
I have no idea what all is in it, but hopefully it is at least somewhat useful to you


N8

I started with an SSG. it wont run a house or anything, but it's fairly easy to pick up and start building. there are a lot of people who have built them to help with questions and problems you might run into, and it's a great way to start learning the principals that will take you on to bigger and better things.
most of the components are easy to find and not too expensive.
it also gives you something you can take meter readings and (if you have a oscilloscope) scope shots of, to see whats going on.
also, there are a lot of variations you can do with an SSG once you have one built that can take you on to more in-depth builds (adding coils, or using multi-filer coils)
there really is an overwhelming amount of info on this forum for different devices, at varying degrees of difficulty, so as Bizzy said, check around and see what peaks your interest, and move on from there
good luck and most of all HAVE FUN! it's a very interesting way to spend your time, and is very rewarding when you get something working the first time

N8

Have you tried adding more electrolyte? when I ran my first test, I didn't notice the motor part of the SSG even skip a beat. it ran just the same as when the charging battery was connected.
for my future tests, I will make accurate measurements of how much water I put in, and how much electrolyte. for that first test i just filled a glass with distilled water and poured in a pretty good amount of baking soda. not so much that the water became saturated, as it did all dissolve, but plenty for the amount of water i was using to be sure
chances are that wont have an effect on the draw, and it's more likely the plates you are using as electrodes that are causing the motor to be loaded down, but it was a thought, even if it's only half baked

I have a friend who has a very nice set of plates and a container set up as a HHO cell. If i can, I will borrow his setup and connect it to the SSG output. he has some KOH i hope he will let me use also. he and I ran a test one day with a pretty hefty 12V tractor battery, and I would like to compare the results of that with the SSG output. if i get better HHO production with the SSG, then that should be a pretty good indicator of how efficient this method is. His setup would drain the battery much faster than we liked, and that is actually part of what led me to the pulse motors as power generators. I wanted a really efficient way of generating power to make HHO from a battery without killing the battery as fast.
I have my doubts as to how much better this may actually be due to the low amp output of pulse motors, but it is at least exciting to see that it works, great first step!!
another idea I am going to test is to keep the SSG connected to the charge battery as it usually is, and set a generator coil by the rotor and see what kind of HHO i can make with a gen coil instead of directly from the SSG output. not sure if there will be a difference, but it's something else to try
I am going to watch your videos now, thanks for posting!
N8

Hey dR-Green,
interesting that you should pick this up right now. I have done something similar recently that I am preparing to test soon as I can.
one quick note, I noticed you are using salt as an electrolyte. NaCl or table salt will produce chlorine gas in electrolysis. you might use baking soda, or even better if you can get it KOH (potassium hydroxide).
a few weeks back, out of sheer curiosity, I set up a glass of distilled water with some baking soda in it and placed 2 20g copper wires in it as electrodes and hooked the SSG output directly to those. it did great making HH and O on the electrodes, and I am working out a better setup to try this with asap. unfortunately I didn't test my input and output numbers, and I actually expected the neon to light up. I was pleased that it did work and stopped the test to try and come up with a better testing apparatus.
very interested in your results
great idea
N8

not the video I was talking about, but this one is interesting!

YouTube - Engine Runs on Water!

also found this one, again not the video I am looking for, but it shows them putting metal into a tank for a chemical reaction to make hydrogen, and no electrolysis

YouTube - Hydrogen generator

enjoy
N8

interesting video! I did see something similar to that in another video. they were also using no electricity to split the water, though they were using some kind of metal alloy and they did not say what it is. I always figured it was a Mg alloy of some kind (perhaps magnesium and aluminum?) because magnesium makes hydrogen on contact with water. in the video i saw the water looked like it was boiling, and they were running a bigger engine from 6 chambers all making HHO and all connected into one inlet tube going to the air intake. I will see if i can find that video again and post it here. it was interesting and I have wanted to figure out what alloy they were using, they said it was cheep and abundant. that is part of the reason I figured it was magnesium and something else, because magnesium is not very expensive to get, just don't know what the other alloy metal was.

I ran a test with a buddy of mine that was pretty cool, though horribly inefficient.
He had built an electrolysis setup with several steal plates and KOH. we would let that fill up a collector in a fish tank (I don't know the volume of the collector, but it was less than a 1 gallon container) once the collection chamber was full we would start up a one cylinder engine that was connected to a generator. we would start the engine on gasoline and once it was going we would hook up the HHO to the air intake and shut off the gasoline intake. it would run for a bit over 5 minutes once the gas was shut off before it exhausted the HHO supply in the collection container. We could not get the electrolyses to make HHO fast enough to keep the engine running, and the whole thing would drain the battery we were using much faster than the generator on the engine could put energy back in. it was a neat experiment, but nothing revolutionary

you know, sometimes my brain just needs a trigger to remember that it already knows something
I have known for years that batteries make HHO when they are being charged. I worked on a pit crew for a race team for a year, and we made a custom battery charging box for the team (the cars they raced had to be push started, and the box contained a large battery at the bottom with a panel over it, then a charger above that, that could be plugged in from the outside, then above the charger was the starter unit for testing the engine while the car was out of gear) we could not charge the battery with the panels on it because of the HHO produced while charging. once i read the safety info posted here, something in it triggered a memory of that charging box and the HHO safety lid we put on the box (could just open the battery case up with a hinged lid, rather than dig all that stuff back out of the box to charge the battery safely).
funny how some stuff just sits dormant in your mind for years until it's triggered for recall

In my short experiment I tried, I hooked the output of the SSG directly to the electrodes in a cup of water and baking soda to make hydrogen, in place of the charge battery. I was only using copper contacts at the time, to see if it worked. I am looking to build a setup with several steal plates and the KOH to see if decent volume of gas can be generated from the output of the SSG. discharge a battery running the SSG to make HHO, then charge it back up with another SSG and a cap pulser make use out of a few of these machines at once
I would like to find a small engine I can modify to run on HHO and do some testing, but that is for later. for right now i would like to just test output and collect the HH and O separately, to be able to measure both. looks like I have a bit of building to do again
thanks for the info Patrick
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Hey Patrick
interesting video!
unfortunately I don't know the answer to your question, though I have played around with hooking the output of the SSG directly to some electrodes in an electrolyte solution, and did notice it does an excellent job at producing hydrogen. I wasn't sure if it would work very well, and half expected the neon on the SSG to light up when i tried it. I have not measured the results, since I do not have a decent system set up to make hydrogen, this was something I wanted to get back to in the future to test when I had a better setup built.
Glad to see you are working on it, maybe I will get something put together and try and help test this (provided no one has the answer already )
I am interested to see what comes of it. it seems like using an SSG (solid state or other wise) would be a very efficient way of doing electrolysis. very low input voltage/current, and rapid high output voltage should be able to make a lot of HHO and not drain a battery input nearly as fast as a direct from the battery setup like I have tried in the past.
hope I can help out in some way!
N8