CowboyRX

If anyone is looking for the 6" toroid Bob uses (Micrometals T650-52), I have a couple for sale. $60 shipped for each; within the USA. I accept Paypal, check or money order. PM me if interested.

Thanks

Another useful pile of his posts from last few years:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12721781/OUPower-Bob-Boyce-PWM3

One of recent Bob's posts (http://waterfuelforall.com/forum/index.php?topic=423.new;topicseen#new)

The only time 4 amps is used is during the cleansing phase, during which time the cells are not connected to the toroidal power system. After that, the conditioning phase, which is done for at least several days, running at about 1 amp, and again, the cells are not connected to the toroid power system. Only when operated during resonance, (after cleanse and conditioning are completed) is the toroidal power system connected. At that time, entraining potential current through the cell stack is in the few hundred milliamps range. The primary current to all three toroid primaries combined is no more than a few hundred milliamps TOTAL!

I will say this again, if you are running enough current to blow FETs or burn traces, then you have your pulse widths set way too wide! This toroidal power system WILL NOT WORK if you are running enough current through the primaries to create collapsing magnetic fields (with BEMF) at pulse end. This is NOT an electromagnetic transformer, nor was it designed to be. It is designed for switched transitions of potential (voltage) only, and passing those transitions along to modulate another dipole of higher potential. Even though it uses windings, it is designed for its capacitively fluxing potential, not fluxing magnetic fields. If I wanted it to be a magnetic transformer, it would be wound with magnet wire, and the primaries would be beneath the secondary. Try to think of it as a 3 phase fluxing capacitor instead of a 3 phase transformer.

I use a variac to adjust the secondary voltage, this adjusts the density of the water between the plates. Also, the toroid windings ideally should be wound for opposite spin in the southern hemisphere. This would mean winding CCW going CW, and the 3 phases would be reversed in direction for CW clocking. This is to compensate for the reverse earths magnetic field south of the equator. Having it wound and connected for northern hemisphere will still work, but at a loss of production.

By the way, the 100 cell unit was never designed to be used in a vehicle. Nor do I recommend it to be used in that manner. It was designed for stationary applications, as in genset installations, or welding gas generation. I used one during the booster rally only because it was easy and available, and it needed to be given a good cleanse, which I did while on the road.

Bob Boyce

Aussepom,

I know that the brute force method works very well in a large series cell and works exactly as described by Bob. The efficiencies i those cells are 150-200% Faraday. So, I was surprised by the brute force output of your 101 plate cell. If built properly, it should produce 33-50LPM @ 3300watts  (220v and 15A) with 1/8" spaced 6x6" 316L plates, ~25% KOH by weight @ ~50 deg C.

Everyone is still waiting to see 'resonance'

Did you guys see the oscilloscope shot there? Can we use it to understand what he might doing with his three frequencies?

Bob shut down his Hydroxy Yahoo group maybe because of this?
http://waterfuelforall.com/forum/index.php?topic=531.30

Hi Cowboyrx
Well buying the big cell was not an option to get it here in one piece and the freight.
Ours was all laser cut, and CNC made any how. It was all done to specs and conditioned etc.
Ian ran is on 'brute force' up to 9amps at 190v and only got 13.5ltrs per min. the cell get very hot at 8amps. 
So I will be asking Ian about the concentration, here is most of our cell we only go to 10% concentration, we use pure stuff, in crystal form, weight it, so much per ltr. I think it is 40grams per ltr for 5%.
 My test cell as Steve may remember, there was a pic some where, it's a round sealed cell but mine is an experimental version.
It has twin inputs, one feed the odd numbers and the other feeds the even, I have holes at the top and at the bottom, so the 22cell unit can be put into two 11's in parallel, if you want. Like this it can give 4.5lts per min at 27v 15amps. Just brute force, it is a convection circulation, I have added a modification, and extra header tank. That is on rainwater, that has been standing for a period of time, at about 8%.
I am winding toroid chokes at the moment, one down two to go. 1.5mm  wire, forgot to count the turns but I used 2 metres, came out to 222uH   0.633ohms,  and impedance Z at 100hz was 0.1535 ohms. Out cell at 35D C is Rof full circuit at 100hz,  the cell is 350uf.

{ 190x15x12=~34LPM }  explain, I got the 190 that volts, the 15 is the amps, what's the 12?
Is that Faraday. And MMW ?
190 x 15 x 12 = 34,200       190 x 15 =  2,850watts. Next ?

ok I will await the reply, I have sent the request in  so Bob should read it soon. 

aussepom

Your cell with 4500ml/min is 4500ml/(27vx15a)=11.11 MMW. Not bad.  That's 160% Faraday (100% Faraday is ~7MMW)
190V x 15A x 12mmw = 34,200ml = 34.2LPM
190 x 15 =  2,850watts  At this power, considering 12MMW efficiency,  you should get 34,200ml = 34.2LPM

Using distilled water with 28% KOH or 20-23% NaOH gives best MMW efficiency. You cell should not get over 55C, if you don't exceed 2v/cell and 0.5A/sq. in of active surface area (wet area) AND when you don't have any plate edge/hole leakage.

10% NaoH is only for conditioning the plates, not for full brute force or resonance. I hope your plate spacing between each cell is 3-4 mm?

Hi there Coyboyrx, and you Steve
Ok it seem that we all agree that Bob has been holding back, I have at the moment got his attention and I am backing him into a corner to answer some questions.   It is being done for a reason on the warteforall site, wouter is on my side and has contacted me by private email, and I sent him the post that I think caused the problem. All I was doing was to offer advice to three new guys, who were not sure of any thing. I pointed then to Pat Perlies controller, that may have upset him, I also said some thing about 'his precious HEX controller" How with the right tools any one could get hold of them and programme in what ever they like. I did it many years ago BY HAND NO PROGAMMER TO DO IT.
I have got some more info out of him and with the next post that is almost ready it should get him to answer some more questions, he needs to do it as he wants wouter on his side.
I will be repairing the board hopefully this weekend, and I hope to run some more tests and try to may a better vid to explain things.
Ok I will catch you later.
Oh by the way how much concentration do you use ?  with KOH or do you use the Na whatever?
I have only use up to 10 % , the big 100 cell unit that Ian has got I am not sure what he has used.
Any idea what Bob used?
The reason is when we tested it at 4amps, the voltage across the cell was 204VDC, we only got 4.6ltrs per min. now in the last post on the wouter site, there seems some confusion.
 Bob Boyce is saying that "you only need a few hundred milli amps through the cell, but did not say any figure!!  Then the following post a Mr Rowland, says that "to adjust the voltage across the cell to give you 1.5v per cell, so that comes out to 150v, and what ever the current is at that point is ok.
I have an Idea that Bob Boyce goes as high as 25 to 30%, concentration, this is far to high, at 30% you will destroy the SS coating.
Ok bye for now     
aussepom

I believe that I have the Brute force part down in large series cells and he doesn't appear to be holding much back on that one. The low output reason for your cell is low electrolyte. You need to have 28% of KOH by weight and dare not increase your voltage more than 2.5V per cell  i.e, 100*2.5=250V or you will burn the surface on your plates and will have to start over with sanding/conditioning/etc. If you have 28% concentration, apply no more than 1.9V per cell and you will see the cell will pull a lot of current and will also produce a lot of gas. You should easily get 180% to 200% Faraday (12-15MMW) You water level must be more than 0.5" below the top of the plate. So, for active surface area, your current draw should not exceed 0.5A/sq. in ( 6x5/2=15A) Your gas production should be close to 190x15x12=~34LPM) This is for Brute force only, after the cell has been warmed up to 45-55 deg C and had been conditioned for several days.

You must read the d9.pdf  for how to prepare the cell for resonance. PM me if you want specific details.

Hi Cowboyrx,
 Why don't you post the rest of the information that has caused this response and the post that I will be putting in reply, Sorry Steve but you have to see all the information, not one side.
and Steve I will be posting the info that is relevant to the working and setting up of this 101cell, wouter on that site has asked me to continue.  The big problem has been the lack of information that has been left out of the D9, and some of the information in it is not correct as well.
Well Steve I have bought some more parts to 'repair the PWM3F board, and I will be adding some refinements, and doing a retest, and so it will be the last try.
well I will catch up with this later
aussepom  

I am only posting the info we can use to understand Bob's resonance drive. To date, no one else but Bob has been able to produce high volumes of gas (75-100 LPM)  using low Amps. I also have a smaller than 101 plate series cell built with the toroid, 3 freq board, chokes, etc. But don't have the electronics knowledge and experience like some of you. Bob is definitely keeping it a secret and recently mentioned that he declined a $300 million offer to 'shelve his resonance drive' by a major automaker. He is the only person alive that we have seen who claims 'resonance.'  I don't doubt that his technology works.

More:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12721795/OUPower-Bob-and-Lightwave

Hello Steve,
Thanks for sharing everything you have so far.
There is a lot of info in the patents you posted. Which particular methods were you able to confirm?

Thanks