JulesP

Hi all,

I am developing a type of Phase Locked Loop based power supply for testing the performance of a variety of different types of electrolysers and, while the key components of the PLL work fine in generating a gated pulse, I am having trouble detecting resonance of the circuit. Theoretically, the layouts shown in pic 1 should behave as an LC circuit, and this has in principle been verified using the simulation software LTSpice (see Pic 2) albeit at a lower frequency than my circuit will resonate at. Using distilled water the electrolyser behaves as a capacitor, although it is not straightforward to measure its value in regular ways so I have resorted to calculation methods.

So with the circuit shown in Pic 3 (PLL Driven Circuit), I have been trying to get the PLL circuit to detect when resonance occurs and then to lock onto that frequency but, despite using a suitable frequency detection range suited to my cell, have been unable to do so. In fact, when I use the detection coil shown wrapped around the bifilar coil, the HF component of the PLL circuit vanishes perhaps due to the coil presenting a short to the two inputs of the op-amp.

So my question is: how have others detected resonance in this type of circuit when using a PLL or similar system to lock onto it?

Thoughts welcomed.

Thanks

Jules

Sorry mpgmike, I must have rearranged my files. Here is a more permanent link to my Mega account and an Electrolysis folder with lots of docs and videos. 'It runs on water' is there along with others you might find interesting.



Jules

Hi all,


This is an update of progress with my electrolyser and related builds towards the overall aim of assembling the most efficient HHO and plasmoid generator so that an electrical generator can be run in a closed-loop mode. This will serve to demonstrate that additional energy is being brought into the system.

I have constructed the following, and which I will comment on further below:

• A multi-plate (Series-Parallel configuration) electrolyser
• A small single cell test electrolyser (for use with either parallel or cylindrical electrodes)
• Two custom power supplies (2-24V and 45-75V)
• Auto tuning pulsing unit (using Dave Lawton's/Patrick Kelly's circuit design)
• An output flow meter to measure gas production.

With the large electrolyser, I have been undertaking the onerous cleansing stage but after a total of 80 hours of operation, involving 20 cycles of 4 hours each, and changing the electrolyte for each session, the discolouration of the fluid continues. To keep the current at around 4-6A with a 12V DC supply, the concentration of KOH was reduced to 0.15% w/w. The fact that this red-brown precipitate continues to appear makes me concluded that it is not a result of something, like Chromium, being drawn out of the plates, but instead a chemical reaction of the KOH electrolyte during electrolysis. I am tempted to send a sample away to be analysed.

The notion in the various blogs that this precipitate will eventually stop appearing seems unfounded in my case so I have resorted to the technique used by Dave Lawton who advises me that I should apply 60V to the cell with distilled water only and run the cell for 30 min periods and then rest it for a few hours, and then repeat. This is conditioning the water more than the plates and I am starting to try this method on my small test cell that I have assembled, using a Kilner jar for ease of access. What I find works with this can be applied to the larger electrolyser.

The two customer power supplies are such that the 0-24V one can be used alone to run a cell in the low or 12V range, and it can also be used to supply the other PSU which outputs 45-75V for the conditioning stage. Once conditioning has been completed, and the gas output has noticeably increased, only then will I use the pulsing unit to supply the cell. In part, the small cell was constructed to test the pulsing unit - which it has been shown to work in ramping up frequency and output, but I need to scope it fully to see what is happening to the waveforms and of course its effect on gas production using the 'dielectric' process.

The flow meter uses the displacement method and has been calibrated to indicate when 500cc of gas has been produced to an accuracy of around 1%. Using a stop watch and a simple calculation, the output in lpm can be derived.

That is progress so far and related photos are at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yyxdclniz...fd7lQh7Ua?dl=0 (There seems to be a site error when I try to attach pics)

I have also included there a paper by Moray King entitled 'Is water the key to new energy' and who argues convincingly that the anomalous energy coming from HHO gas is not fully explained by the burning of Hydrogen but involves cohering ZPE via the charged water clusters. He goes into this in some depth and his theory is supported by various practical work including that of Walt Jenkins of H2GE.com who is developing an engine to run on water vapour alone in what is in effect a plasmoid engine. This is the leading edge of R&D in this area but it is being heavily suppressed and their site has been attacked many times and is currently suspended. I include one of their docs (H2 Global Report) for those who are interested.

If anyone would like more details of the design or builds of any of these constructions then I will happily provide them. When the day comes when I have a fully functioning system, I will provide full disclosure for others to replicate.

Regards

Jules

Hi Gary,

At least he and his team have a set of patents and are in contact with various companies around the world.

Having looked at their website I recognise the engine demo using 5ml of gasoline. I wondered what had happened to that research and now, in reading my way through M King’s book ‘Water: The key to New Energy’ it all joins up.

Im still happy to persue the earlier tech of pulsed resonant Electrolyser as that is something that can be replicated by many without treading on IP toes for these latest technologies.

J

I have mentioned this in my thread dealing with my WFC replication but I have finally managed to track down the 1995 Channel 4 (UK) documentary called 'It runs on water'' featuring Meyer and two others whose work 'defies' mainstream science.

A very well balanced documentary that suggests we are on the edge of a revolution involving ZPE. I have downloaded it to keep it safe and is a must-see 51min video. I know things have moved on technically with new WFC developments but it’s a classic in the history of the process.

I have placed it in the 'Video' subfolder on my shared folder at:
​​​​​​https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nezja68vl...wh4-KwbWa?dl=0

You can download it from there and pass around as needed.

Jules

Hi Gary,

Sounds really good. I will check it out. Has he experienced any suppression as so many websites and reports since 2007 have vanished and many proposals around that time that some version of a device was soon to come to market just vanished.

but then we live in very different times now with planetary crises so maybe the path will be easier?

I know the video I posted at the end of my thread is old but it gives a good overview of the ‘tension’ between the engineer and mainstream science and I think I will put a separate post about it in the Water fuel section.

Incidentally, I wrote to Aaron with the news that on July 11th Patrick Kelly died here in the UK as I thought that, given Patrick’s contribution over many years to free energy work and information dissemination, he might want to make an announcement about it but he has not replied. Perhaps you could pass the news on.

Jules

As an aside I have finally managed to track down the 1995 Channel 4 (UK) documentary called 'It runs on water'' featuring Meyer and two others whose work 'defies' mainstream science. A very well balanced documentary that suggests we are on the edge of a revolution involving ZPE. I have downloaded it to keep it safe and is a must-see 51min video.

I have placed it in the 'Video' subfolder on my shared folder for this work at:
​​​​​​https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nezja68vl...wh4-KwbWa?dl=0

You can download it from there and pass around as needed.

Jules

A quick update on progress:

The specially designed PCB has been received and is nearing completion ready for testing. The electrolyser and plates have been assembled and are nearly ready for the extensive cleansing and conditioning process.

At the right time the PCB production (Gerber) files will be placed on the shared area for anyone to order it. They are amazingly cheap with the international postage costing more than the boards.

If anyone would like a tour of the facility where they are made (JLCPCB) then here is a recent one. It's surprising what goes into making a PCB: https://youtu.be/ljOoGyCso8s

Jules

Here is a useful document by one of the leading physicists in this area of water as fuel - Moray B King. Lots of useful ideas to get the best out of an Electrolyser.

Hi everyone,

As a retired physicist, I’m some way into starting a research project on generating Browns gas using a DC pulsed Electrolyser in the style of Stan Meyer.

His work was replicated by Dave Lawton in the UK over 10 years ago and I am in touch with Dave, who is now in his 80s, to revitalise his pulsed system to see how it works with a larger Electrolyser than Dave did his original CoP tests on.

In that test, with a small cell, he got a CoP of 3.5 but that is based on the energy of conventional Hydrogen production alone. If one adds in the energy available from the so-called 'Watergas' that is allegedly produced, then the value will be much higher.

I am sharing this work openly and progress during the build along with results and developments. Some useful files related to the work so far are at:



Jules