freeenergy

Tom C wrote:

you can discharge to whatever you want..... its your battery you are destroying. the CBAIII has no idea what the cutoff should be. I have a cba IIII it has all the variable for discharge. I suggest you contact the battery manufacturer and ask them what the cutoff voltage should be. you are destroying your battery. of course it matters if your battery is junk when doing sg cycles!!. if you are rejuvenating that battery, then a charge discharge cycle is all you need, no cop calculations. rejuvenation is not over unity, ever!! you will not get hi cops with a junk battery, all the energy is being used to desulphate.

you are not fully charging your battery if you are only going to 13.2 thats only about 65 percent. the fully charged cutoff voltage for a battery is around 14.5 if you read the manufacturers spec of most batteries. peter lindemann in his battery secrets lecture talks about how he likes to see them at 16.2 because that is where ALL the material is returned to the plates where it belongs and where the battery simply becomes a hydrogen generator. you are wasting time trying to rejuvenate it if you are discharging to 10.5 that is undoing anythng the SG may be doing to restore the battery. 80% depth of discharge is the max you want to run a lead acid battery at which is between 12.2 and 12 volts. batteries are like a living plant you gotta tend to them the way they are designed or they will die. you wil be frustrated with your results if you dont learn about the battery first. use the go advanced button when you post to attach something.

Tom C

John_Koorn wrote:

You misunderstood the intention of the COP spreadsheet. It was designed to prove that the is something else besides the conventional electricity that is charging the charge battery only!

John K.

Tom C wrote:

1- your junk battery will not go that hi probably, on the SG it will stop where the sulfation will no longer come off the plates. i did not expect to see improvement of your battery at all given how it has been treated. stop wasting your time with that thing. if you want to desuphate it crank the current up on the primary and blow the sulfation off the plates. its the pulse that cleans the plates and dissolves the sulfation. you will not have over unity at ALL but your capacity may come back, maybe !! you cannot expect increased capacity or faster charging with a junk battery.

2- do you have the manufacturers specs for your battery? read them and use them as a basline for YOUR battery. 14.5 is the charge termination voltage usually from the manufacturer but it VARIES by manufacturer. your batteries might be good at 15.3 not 16.2 as John K has said. its DIFFERENT for every battery. Peters batteries were deep cycle Golf kart style 6 volt cells.

3- by running a battery charged to 13.2 on my CBA and comparing it to what its capacity should be. often times a battery will sit at 13.2 for a very long time as it fills up. you need to research charge curves for batteries to see what they look like.

its all about the battery....... the machine performs based upon what it is hooked to, its not magic. learn the theory of operation, then learn about lead acid batteries and then you will answer for yourself your questions, it will be obvious why the battery wont charge up fully.

Tom C

John_Koorn wrote:

You misunderstood the intention of the COP spreadsheet. It was designed to prove that the is something else besides the conventional electricity that is charging the charge battery only!

John K.

Tom C wrote:

you can discharge to whatever you want..... its your battery you are destroying. the CBAIII has no idea what the cutoff should be. I have a cba IIII it has all the variable for discharge. I suggest you contact the battery manufacturer and ask them what the cutoff voltage should be. you are destroying your battery. of course it matters if your battery is junk when doing sg cycles!!. if you are rejuvenating that battery, then a charge discharge cycle is all you need, no cop calculations. rejuvenation is not over unity, ever!! you will not get hi cops with a junk battery, all the energy is being used to desulphate.

you are not fully charging your battery if you are only going to 13.2 thats only about 65 percent. the fully charged cutoff voltage for a battery is around 14.5 if you read the manufacturers spec of most batteries. peter lindemann in his battery secrets lecture talks about how he likes to see them at 16.2 because that is where ALL the material is returned to the plates where it belongs and where the battery simply becomes a hydrogen generator. you are wasting time trying to rejuvenate it if you are discharging to 10.5 that is undoing anythng the SG may be doing to restore the battery. 80% depth of discharge is the max you want to run a lead acid battery at which is between 12.2 and 12 volts. batteries are like a living plant you gotta tend to them the way they are designed or they will die. you wil be frustrated with your results if you dont learn about the battery first. use the go advanced button when you post to attach something.

Tom C

knagtegl wrote:

Freenergy,

All I can say is that the battery I am now charging is more than 10 years old and it had only 4 volts on it and a conventional charger does not charge
it anymore.
This Is the COP run sheet for this batt:
[ATTACH]2268[/ATTACH]


Karel

Tom C wrote:

a junk battery will give you junk results. no wonder you are having problems. discharging 10.5 is too low for a lead acid battery unless it is a true deep cycle 80% d.o.d. depth of discharge is what you want to discharge to. and you need to charge your new battery to at least 14.5 Tom C

knagtegl wrote:

Freenergy,

All I can say is that the battery I am now charging is more than 10 years old and it had only 4 volts on it and a conventional charger does not charge
it anymore.
This Is the COP run sheet for this batt:
[ATTACH]2268[/ATTACH]

Karel

knagtegl wrote:

freeenergy,

I have build several SSG devices in the last three years but I disagree with your view. My unit is charging any battery even ones that where standing empty for years and very sulfated. I could not charge them with a standard charger. The SSG will charge them easy and fast to.

Of course you will have to scale them up to charge bigger batteries faster.
A normal charger produces heat in the charger and the battery and that I call loss of energy. The turning of the wheel is not wasting the energy because the magnetic field is there anyway and it is a perfect trigger.
I believe the ssg still outperformes the SS SSG so It seems to even add energy instead of
waste it.
And the battery is getting better every run and I hate to buy new batteries every time when
a conventional charger kills them.

And you don't need a automatic stop because they will not get overcharged so easy as a
normal charger and there is no heat in the battery, worst case you have to add some water.

I still don't see OU but It is the best battery charger I have ever seen.

Karel

knagtegl wrote:

freeenergy,

I have build several SSG devices in the last three years but I disagree with your view. My unit is charging any battery even ones that where standing empty for years and very sulfated. I could not charge them with a standard charger. The SSG will charge them easy and fast to.

Of course you will have to scale them up to charge bigger batteries faster.
A normal charger produces heat in the charger and the battery and that I call loss of energy. The turning of the wheel is not wasting the energy because the magnetic field is there anyway and it is a perfect trigger.
I believe the ssg still outperformes the SS SSG so It seems to even add energy instead of
waste it.
And the battery is getting better every run and I hate to buy new batteries every time when
a conventional charger kills them.

And you don't need a automatic stop because they will not get overcharged so easy as a
normal charger and there is no heat in the battery, worst case you have to add some water.

I still don't see OU but It is the best battery charger I have ever seen.

Karel

John_Koorn wrote:

You misunderstood the intention of the COP spreadsheet. It was designed to prove that the is something else besides the conventional electricity that is charging the charge battery only!

John K.