theremart

citfta wrote:

Hi guys, Sorry to break the bad news guys but it is not that simple. Jatropha is an excellent oil to use for diesel engines. However it must first be converted to biodiesel if you don't want to destroy your engine. My son and I have been using biodiesel for over 6 years now. My son first started with straight used vegetable oil and the heat system that you have to add to your car to get the oil hot enough to go through the injection pump. After about 10,000 miles the engine was junk. He learned the hard way that straight vegetable oil has long molecule chains that will not burn completely. This leaves carbon in the cylinder which eventually builds up to destroy the engine. He has a friend who destroyed a very nice Mercedes engine just like the one in the video because he ran straight vegetable oil in it. The guy in the video never says he makes biodiesel from the plant oil so I don't know what he was running in his car. He does however made a statement in the comments that I am sure is false. He states he gets 40-45 miles per gallon on vegetable oil verses 27 on regular diesel. I have a Mercedes just like his except mine is an 84. I get slightly less milage on biodiesel than I do on regular diesel and so does everyone else that uses biodiesel. But my car runs smoother and doesn't smoke at all and the biodiesel I make myself costs me half as much as I would pay at the pump for regular diesel. By the way plant or vegetable oil can only be used in diesel engines. If the oil could be fermented in some way to make ethanol then it could be used in a gasoline engine. So the bottom line is if you want to use plants for fuel you will have to have a way to process it into biodiesel or ethanol. Since the process for making biodiesel is much simpler my son and I went that route. I hope this information will keep someone from destroying an expensive engine.

Good luck, Carroll

IndianaBoys wrote:

Theremart,

Years of "amateur" research lead me to the conclusion jatropha is a good selection.

Do not know of anyone personally or commercially doing this, just what the internet has provided.

Have visited ECHO (Educational Concerns For Hunger Organization) in the past and they have a great appropriate technology/demonstration farm:

ECHO :: Home

They may have a line on some plants.

IndianaBoys

IndianaBoys wrote:

Theremart,

Have you looked at Jatropha?

Grows well in Florida!

Diesel Engine Running On Plant Oil
YouTube - Diesel Engine Running On Plant Oil

Run a diesel engine car on plant oil.

This is a 1983 Mercedes-Benz 300SD that I purchased in 1992 for $8000. I drove my newborn daughter home from the hospital in it in 1996. Its odometer broke three years ago at 356,000 miles. It probably has 500,000 miles on it now, and it's still going strong.

Though I demonstrate Canola oil burning in this engine, I mainly use a similar, though non-edible, oil called jatropha that I grow in my back yard, at a cost of about 35 cents per gallon to produce. Canola (rapeseed) oil can be purchased in bulk for about $1.75 per gallon. On either oil, this car gets 40 to 45 miles per gallon versus about 27 miles per gallon on petroleum diesel.

These are the best cars for burning vegetable oil, because their iron blocks are more tolerant of hotter-burning plant oil than more delicate aluminum block engines in newer diesel cars.

IndianaBoys

bmlobo wrote:

Hi Everybody, Can you help me out and take a look at a blog site that I am working on. It is to do with Pulse motors and magnetic coils, Bedini Motors, and ideas on making systems work better. If you could take a moment and link to my site and comment I would greatly appreciate your input.



PULSE MOTOR, FREE ENERGY & OVER UNITY

Thank you all and take care.

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Matthew Jones wrote:

We've been looking into Ethanol production. The biggest problem with biomass products is you have to buy the bacteria to break it down. Generally its modified bovine type but there are other.
The problem with buying that is you have to pay the owners. You can't cultivate it. And most of the time the bacteria is owned by Oil Companies. Exxon has alot. Dow Chemical, Shell.
And the bacteria is a primary cost right next to energy.

Ethanol from biomass is still more expensive than gas, makes you wonder why.

No one ever talks about sugar beat though. 30% sugar just add yeast and cook at 162 degrees. Of coarse you gotta have the still but...

Giant Sugar beats,
No not really but they get big and you can buy Arluene Seeds

Yeast isn't hard to cultivate either, Cheap to buy too.

Cheers
Matt

FuzzyTomCat wrote:

Hi everyone,

There is a thread started by Aaron quite some time ago here at Energetic with more details on patent information, replication data and video references ..... this is the link ....

Robert Kurpa's Firestorm Plugs

It does appear possibly some revised design changes have happened regarding the metal material being used in the electrode and threaded base.

Regards,
Glen

amigo wrote:

That's actually plengo's video, Doc Stiffler is MRH2O2 on the youtube: YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel

The Doc's got some interesting thing going and I have been able to replicate most of his findings (I can't do any electrolysis in the present environment) but otherwise the circuits appear to be working and what we lack are the tools to properly measure things since I personally believe that our conventional tools ain't gonna cut it.