Redmeanie

This is news to me....I was told by a local NAzi party Member (Police) that having a HHO set-up the size of mine could be considered part of a Meth LAB.....

Any ideas what he is taliking about? I know meth made certain ways can generate HHO but he was stating that people are bubbling HHO through the mix to speed up the Meth production?


Any Ideas!!!

I need to hear back on this asap!

Its easy to determine if its wide band. How many wires?

Also I have Never heard of the post cat O2 having anything to do with the Maps. It can't because the cat would change signals everytime based off of the slightest difference in fuels. It is solely to confirm the Cat is Functioning. The Pre Cat Adjusts the Maps in the ECU.

As long as its a NB sensor you should be set. Just follow the calibration and installation instructions. Once the ECU is in closed loop it won't matter, the O2 sensor is last in the cycle of sensors.

Well, since the Hemi has a wide band, it is either use a WideBand Controller to shift the signal, or probably change vehicles. I have posted many times why modifying the Maf/Map signal is counterproductive. Google Closed Loop and Open Loop ECU Functioning. And with a Wide Band (A/F Ratio Sensor) it is even more of a waste of time and money. The "ONLY" way to effectively adjust Fuel in "CLOSED" loop is through the O2 sensor / A/F Ratio Probe.

Kit Assembly....

Due to overwhelming requests from those who do not feel they are capable....Im now offering this service....Look up at the pricing posting above.

Yes, to an extent. The circuit has to be designed accordingly also. You just can't daisy chain 10 mosfets off of any PWM!

Ok,

I am starting this thread here also because for some reason I keep getting Bombarded with PM's about access to the members only forum.
"THESE KITS ARE FOR MEMBERS ONLY" So if you want to place an order you MUST put your "Username" in the Notes Field in Paypal. Absolutely NO Guests! Any payment received from non members will be returned via Paypal minus their charges.

These kits are put together with Quality components from Fairchild, National SC, and Texas Instruments, NO Garbage Components like The "Kits" that are out there!

All of These Circuits Have Been Redesigned or Modified To Be Used For HHO Generation and Operation Of HHO Boosters


Full EFIE Kit (Fuel Mixture Control) For One O2 Sensor $22.00 US
Used To Control A/F Mixture For Fuel Injected Vehicles
Includes:
1 Cut PCB (Just needs to be drilled) ADD $3 for additional board
1 Complete Set of Electronics
1 DPDT Mini Toggle
Please Specify Which Rotary Switch You Want
1 SP 6 Position Rotary Switch (For Complete Range)
or
1 SP 3 Position Rotary Switch (For 3 Preset Setting i.e. Power, City, Highway)


Full Dual EFIE Kit (Fuel Mixture Control) For Two O2 Sensors $40 US
Includes:
(2) Cut PCB (Just needs to be drilled) ADD $3 for additional board
(2) Complete Set of Electronics
(1) 4PDT Mini Toggle
Please Specify Which Rotary Switch You Want
(1) Double Pole 6 Position Rotary Switch (For Complete Range)
or
(1) Double Pole 4 Position Rotary Switch (For 4 Preset Setting i.e. Max Power,Power, City, Highway)


Full Pulse Width Modulator Kit $19.00 US
Used To Pulse Voltage/Current To Cell. This Prevents Run Away Current and Controls Temperature of Electrolyte
Includes:
(1) Cut PCB (Just Needs to be Drilled) ADD $3 for additional board
(1) Complete Set of Electronics
(1) 50A Mosfet
(1) Heat Sink (Heavy Duty Aluminum)


Full Hi Power Pulse Width Modulator Kit $24.00 US
Used To Pulse Voltage/Current To Cell. This Prevents Run Away Current and Controls Temperature of Electrolyte
* This Version is Capable of Driving 4 Off Board Mosfets
Includes:
(1) Cut PCB (Just Needs to be Drilled) ADD $3 for additional board
(1) Complete Set of Electronics
(2) 50A Power Mosfet
(2) Heat Sinks (Heavy Duty Aluminum)

Add Additional Mosfets $6.00 US
(1) 50A Power Mosfet
(1) Heat Sink (Heavy Duty Aluminum)


Pre Drill Boards $2.00 per board
This is being offered "By Request" This is the most time consuming step, but for those who do not have access to the Proper Size Bits or Drill I will do these for you. It will add a day or two to your order.

This is the easiest way to offer Kits that way you only get what you need...

TIPS:
* Remember allot of these components are STATIC sensitive, so be careful!

** I know this isn't the most ECO Friendly route but use 60/40 solder if you can get it. It has a higher lead content so it melts faster. This will help the more inexperienced.

*** Check the tracks and pads on the PCB. If they are touching or close scrape between them with a small flat head screw driver. This can occur during tinning.

**** Practice with the spare boards first. Just practice until you get a nice little solder pad at each hole spot. If your boards have the Blue coating over the copper, just wipe it off with acetone, or nail polish remover.

Notes:

**If you can solder 2 wires together soldering a small PC board is NOT out of your capabilities....

*** I will also be throwing in spare boards so that you can practice soldering on the boards and get the hang of it BEFORE you attempt to mount the electronics.


Shipping VIA Priority Mail will be $5 for Domestic. International should contact me first to check....We are in the Houston, TX area (Pearland)

International Orders Via Priority Mail runs $18.50 if however you want me to send it via Plain Air Mail I will but it will take awhile plus there is no way to track it...

Anyone who wants these should send payment whenever they want to get these... I will only be ordering once a week on Wednesdays for the people who paid the week prior. I will not Stock Extra, I have no use for a bunch of components I might be left with.

Process:
Each Wednesday I will make orders for all received that week prior.

Each Saturday I will Make Boards.....

That following TuesDay I will ship out Everyones Order that was received that week before...

*So there should be only 2 to 3 weeks from the time you pay to the time you receive everything give or take a couple of days (Just in case my suppliers are out of stock on something and I must go to a different distributer, Rare But POSSIBLE).....

I just set up a Paypal Account Solely for this....This is also an email address you can reach me at anytime directly....
[email protected] <<<Use this for PayPal Payments as well as Contact via email if you are a MEMBER and need to talk to me drop me an email with your contact info and I will Contact You ASAP.....

Here You Go...

I just saw this and thought about what you want to do...Click here and go about 4 issues down! Silicon Chip did a write up on how to do a 100mpg Prius..

Magazines - Silicon Chip - 2008

O2 Sensor Harness

Casper's Electronics, Inc.: Honda

This would be used to make an EFIE plug and play without cutting any of the Vehicles wiring. This is extremely useful on lease vehicles!

Just get the extension, cut in half, wire it to the EFIE, and you have a clean very reliable install!

The link I gave is to a Honda but just look in the column to the left. If your vehicle isn't listed, just look at your O2 sensor Plug (right before the sensor) and remember what it looks like. Then just browse through all the connectors on their site. Im sure you will find a match because there are pretty much only a few different types used by all Manufacturers for the Narrow Band O2!

This Yhread will be for us to share our Tried And Tested Suppliers of Various Goods That are used and may be of use by Members of the Forum....Try to keep it to this format so that a "search" will be able to easily single it out:

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Goto "Soap Making Supplies" then "Hydroxide Alkalis" Button.

This is a very good company that I have used many, many times and if you join their mailing list, they send out awesome discount codes occasionally.

Plastic Supplies Liquid/Gas Check Valves - US Plastic Corporation

I use this company for just about everything I need that is made of plastic.

Notice the link is to something that everyone who deals with HHO Needs?
Also just look around their site, they have all kinds of tubing and connectors too.

Electronic Odds and Ends All Electronics | Electronic and Electro-Mechanical Parts and Supplies at Discount Prices

This is by far one of my favorite companies. The sell surplus and salvaged electronics and Electronic components....CHEAP! About the only thing I dont buy from them are IC's and Capacitors and such. Not because I dont trust them, just because their inventory is usually buy out stuff and you really dont know the history of the component. And when you have built an entire circuit and it fails because of a faulty component, it can ruin your day!

A+++ People, Cool Stuff and at their prices you can take some risks!


Well you guys got the idea, so feel free to add to this.....I will Also!

No Problem, Thats what we are Here For!

Not All EFIE's are the Same...

This is a discussion that has come up a few times, so I will go over this really quickly....

Aren't All EFIE's the Same? NO, they all do the same thing, but they don't do it the same, and some are more efficient than others. It is important to look at the components used in the Circuit. The ones running the 555 timer or a coil are NOT very good at all. These take the O2 sensor signal, intercepts it, then sends out 1 set voltage. This is not a good thing for one simple reason, Engine Load. As engine load changes so do its A/F Ratio requirements.
The best type use a Bar Graph Display Driver LM3914. This is the same IC that runs the LED's on your stereo volume level indicators. How this IC operates is it takes an incoming signal and modifies it slightly to a set level for the whole range. So if you set it for a .1 increase it will take that incoming voltage and add just .1 to the signal and resend it out. As you can see it is perfect for a Fluctuating O2 sensor signal.

So when looking into what Effie to buy look closely. If there is more than one IC it probably is running dual 555's look for (1) 18 pin IC that is the ones that use the 3914.

Due to many people asking, here is a little over view of the Key Electronics Components of a "Booster" Cell.

Pulse Width Modifier (PWM) This electronic device is basically a DC motor controller. It takes a Direct Current (DC) Voltage and Pulse's it at a steady preset rate. The Frequency and Pulse Width is adjusted by the Variable (Adjustable) Resistor and the Capacitors used in the Circuit.

* This is used in a "Booster" to control current from "Running Away" which is common in a "Brute Force" Direct Current cell. This is caused by your Electrolyte heating and therefore allowing more current to flow through your cell. Another benefit I have found to to PWM is that durring the very short off pulses the hold of the gases attatched to the plates is momentarily released giving a moment for them to slip away. This in turn can increase overall output. Also some feel that being able to "Tune" their HHO cell to a resonant Frequency increases output.

EFIE or Simply "Fuel Mixture Control" This is probably the MOST Important component in a "Booster" Application. Without it, your ECU will see to much O2 in the exhaust because of the cleaner and more complete burn due to the HHO and Dump Fuel into the engine in an attempt to Richen the Burn. This device takes the Original O2 Signal and adds Very Small additional voltage to the incoming signal and piggy backing it to the ECU. This makes the ECU think it is Running rich so it leans the mixture accordingly. It also will allow you to keep the original signal level without Leaning out the Mixture. This could be used as a setting for "Performance". You will basically be running stock fossil fuel levels with a Boost of performance from the HHO. Think about a Hilly or Mountainous area or pulling a trailer. You can preset with a Rotary style switch a few settings like this, City, Highway, Performance (Lean, Leaner, Not Lean stock) that way you dont risk engine damage by running too lean a mix in a situation when you actually need more fossil fuels.

*This is a Requirement for ANY Fuel Injected Vehicle! One device is needed for each PRE_CAT O2 sensor. V-Style engines usually have (2) and MOST 4cyl have (1)

I will be adding more as people request, or going into more detail if required.

Very Interesting.....

Let us know if you build one and get it to work!

The only thing that makes it suspicious to me is the last paragraph and then the list of people you are supposed to give money to if you successfully build and market this device.....

Other than that it looks very promising, just a little complicated to tune!