jaggedE

sorry everyone,
i was out of town for the past few months and couldnt respond to this thread earlier...

i went through all the links everyone has sent me and am still no closer to understanding anything. i think i need to go through all of them again a few times before it starts to sink into my head.
perhaps im starting way above by experience level, but i love challenges.


thanks all,
JaggedE

correct me if im wrong but as far as i know nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) only exists when inside a magnetic field, when stanley myer fractured water i dont think that was in a magnetic field, unless the frequencies were correlating to the magnetic field of the earth, which would vary in intensity from location to location, disabling his ability to drive from the east coast to the west coast of america, since his equipment would have to change its frequency depending on the variation in intensity of magnetic field.

secondly supposing i provide it with a magnetic field to begin with, which is not such a great problem, it says the frequency is relative to hydrogen, meaning the frequency of hydrogen needs to be determined first. how would i go about doing that?

again correct me if im wrong but when myer was fracturing water he had varying amounts of water in his cell, according to what your saying with a change in volume of water the frequency should also change. furthermore there are huge distances between atoms of any element, effectively making them so many individual particles to resonate and the total quantity of the element becomes irrelevant. the total quantity of element comes into play only when your trying to break a structure made of the element say a glass, and not the element atoms from each other.

does anyone know where i can get the resonance frequencies of the following elements or a method of determining them.

aluminium, copper, chromium, iron, tin, cobalt, nickel, bismuth, nitrogen, oxygen, rhodium, silver, gold, platinum, palladium, zink, calcium, potassium, sodium, zirconium and boron.

it would be very helpful for my research.
thanks,

JaggedE

open forum

which is why people in this forum, tend to discuss openly until they make a breakthrough, and when that happens they go silent and try to sell their invention. after which is it only a matter of time until the MIB gets to them and they cease all activity. ending up in lack of progress for mankind in general. so what is the solution? dont get me wrong im not saying what they are doing is wrong, they have a right to be recognized for the work they've done, monetarily as well as generally.

let me take myself for example. im the new guy. asin ive been researching HHO from panacea university and all over the net for about 4 months now. its taking me a while to figure out the electronics part of it. even after making the D14 circuit, using it is a bit of a hassle, as i have absolutely no background in electronics, hell i dont even know how to test if my circuit is working properly or not.

what i do have is a little background in chemistry, and i do feel i have something to contribute to the actual water cell part of the project. but the thing is, ive been on this forum for several months now and im not even sure if people are still using the D14 circuit. the entire discussion on that field is 4 years old at least. reading up on that part of the forum, there are the obvious issues that people who had posted stuff as attatchments to explain what they were saying have removed them because of lack of server space. and i have no idea whether i wasted my time making the D14 in the first place. im sure the information is already here in this forum somewhere, but finding it is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

how does this relate what you were saying? well there are a lot of people in this forum with loads of experience in doing what im trying to do, but because of so many people who are not serious they cannot give any attention to people who are really interested nor can those interested people get themselves in the experienced peoples vision. and i myself have been going through the old forums for months now without any progress to show for it. so what is the solution to that? i may look like im here with all the answers but im really here to ask more questions. :P

Havent heard from Michael in a long time,
last i messaged him he said he was under the weather.
hope hes alright now.

not necessarily, the main use of the platinum would be to create a protective layer on the said material, this layer will only be microns thick, once this layer is formed it should basically be as effective as if it were completely made of platinum, as long as the material it is coated on is a good conductor in my opinion it would work fine.

my friend says a similar compound in titanium would also be available at laboratory chemical suppliers by the name of Titanium Acetyl Acetonate, which is in liquid form. the metal to be coated needs to be painted with this titanium compound and then heat treated to deposit the film and burn off the solvent.

the friend i mentioned might be able to help me aquire this, ill try it and get back to you.

but before i do, does anyone on this forum have any idea why this might not work?

platinum

hi all,
sorry if im hogging this thread, but i couldnt find any other more relevant to what im discussing. if anyone points me to another thread that is more relevant i would happily move there.

has anyone tried platinum at the hydrogen side?
technically if you can plate it it wouldnt be too expensive.
even perhaps use the type of platinum that is used on crockery and glass (image search for "platinum crockery" in google) although that does contain about 3-4% bismuth as a bonding agent as well as small amounts of rhodium, chromium and perhaps silver as well, but all in quantities less than 1%. i have a friend who makes it hence the detailed info.

there are two studies that really interested me.
the first was the japanese COP 80
and the second from Professor Daniel Nocera of MIT

both were using platinum, and the second was using cobalt phosphate dissolved in the water, which then attaches itself to the electrode and produces oxygen. when the current is turned off it re dissolves in the water.

JaggedE

Michael John Nunnerly,
i have a suggestion for you,
it is becomeing clear that funding is a big problem for the progress of your project, time too is of the essence. so i suggest you take a page out of the wikipedia open source format.
i know many people have asked you to do this before but im not asking you to give away your plans for free so hear me out.

first you will need to make a calculation as to how much money was spent so far and how much more you will need to complete your research, preferably compartmentalize it a little by saying that if for example i recieve $100 i will achieve so and so, if that is upped to $150 i will achieve so and so. and so on and so forth. then finally like wikipedia when they are asking for their yearly budget put up a progress bar on your website indicating how much of that youve already recieved. videos demonstrating your progress would be helpful in convincing people of your genuineness.

the people of the world want technology like yours out in the market soon, every day counts, millions of people around the world are suffering and dying because of lack of affordable energy, it may not be so obvious to people in the first world countries but in the third world, the problem is escalating rapidly. oil and coal mining cartels are wrecking the environment, and land that should rightfully belong to the local people is plundered and destroyed without remorse. The people who stand up to them are being silenced and demonized by government and social media. technology like yours can prevent that. its time.

JaggedE

michael,
let them build their cars. it will only make it easier to implement your technology.

any timelines on when it would be available for people like us on the other end of the globe?

i guess your not a fool and you would have taken your precautions against the MIB but the longer it takes to hit the market the more time they will get to shut you up and shelf your project.

cheers.