cody

suchayo,

You are right, i hadnt looked at the formula. It does indeed appear to be a salt However its a salt with a low ph like an acid. Just starting my chem classes and have a long way to go, wish i knew more on it. I wonder if these batteries will have the same problem as regular sulphuric acid batteries, if theres no sulfuric acid, then the plates cant sulfate right? Maybe we will get a whole new problem of some sort of alum collecting on the plates Or maybe not, dont really know.

Yes i believe your right. I really dont think the alum has anything special to do with it. I think a lot of it was just cleaning out all the junk that had collected in the cells, putting in new solution(which may as well be new sulfuric acid) and then doing the charge/discharge conditioning. Ive left my battery on the sg all day so far and it is continuing to improve. Im positive i would be doing much better if i started with a better battery. My wave form continues to get better and i believe i should have a standard h wave before to long, which means its taking a charge better and better. Not sure how much better the pulse charging is, but it does appear to have significantly improved the battery. But i have no hard evidence on that. Its possible dc would have done just as well, i dont really have a good dc charging setup, the wall battery charger wont even charge it because of the circuitry and the voltage being to low on the battery. I know jetijs has some good graphs showing pulse charging increasing battery capacity, so i believe its true.

More good news. At first the sg didnt appear to do anything to the battery, but then i did my dc charging, which did slightly charge it. After the dc, i put it back on the sg to see if it might work now. The answer is yes After 10 min on the sg, i did some more load tests with the dc again. Doing the same tests as before i was able to load the battery almost three times longer Granted its still such a small amount of power we are talking about here that its still of no real use, but still, it is improving. The wave form on the sg also got better.

So if you put alum in a junk battery and it wont take a charge from a bedini circuit, give it a charge with some regular dc for a while, then stick it on the bedini.

Ok, the first major thing it want to clear up:
Alum, at least the stuff everyone has been using(from the grocery store) is not a base, its an ACID. Mix a little with water and pour it on some baking soda and you will have your proof for that one. So this is not an alkaline battery that were making, its just another acid battery. So this makes me wonder, why alum, why not vinegar.

Anyways, i found some time to play around with this last night. I wanted to start with a really bad battery; it was an old 9 ah motorcycle battery, they are notorious for going bad over the winter. It was sitting at 2.11V. I dumped out all the acid and did several flushes of the cell chambers to get rid of all the acid and debris. There was a lot of crud that came out of that battery; it was dark gray powdery looking junk. I mixed my solution at 1 cup water to 1 tablespoon alum. It was sitting at 1 something volts at this point. I then hooked it up to the sg to charge and the voltage shot up to around 14v, but it was just a surface charge, but the battery did sit at a higher voltage after that, but it didnt appear to have any capacity. The scope shot didnt look good, it was just a big spike, no h bridge. Im thinking all the junk that came out might have been the paste. At that point i decided to try charging it off straight dc from a 24v battery. I ran some short charge/load tests with encouraging results. After every timed charge, the battery gained a slight amount of capacitance when loaded. Very similiar to what bedini was doing on that video. But i think it will take a lot of cycles to see any useable results from the battery. Ive got it back on the sg for now.

I bought some alum a few weeks back to do some experimenting with this but i havnt started yet. You should use distilled water to mix it with. Ive seen John Bs link but i hadnt seen that other one, thanks for posting it. Im thinking it will be important to get the proper ratio of alum to water, actually i think we should really study ph level. We are switching from an acid to a base. Battery acid has a ph of around 0. Distilled water is neutral at 7. So our base should be around 14 if my logic is correct, which it very well may be wrong Scroll down this link to find the ph scale
pH - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Looks like alum is not going to get near 14, but im not sure, i couldnt find the ph level of it. Sodium hydroxide gets up there though But i guess we are wanting to stick with the alum. I guess ill try and find time to fill one of my batterys with it and see what happens, i have many discarded batterys laying around to play with.

the process, just what is going on here

This is an interesting effect, and obviously it is a real effect. I just wanted to start some discussion about what is actually going on to cause this effect. Im proposing that a physical change is occurring on the capacitor plates. John Bedini has a great vid showing the physical change that occures on battery plates using the radiant charging method, look here.

BatteryForming_2008_04_25_16_16_47.wmv

I believe the same thing is occurring on the aluminum plates of the capacitor. I do know that aluminum can be conditioned in certain ways with electricity, look here:

YouTube - hho - 120V Aluminum Rectifier PART 1
YouTube - hho - 120V Aluminum Rectifier PART 2
YouTube - hho - 120V Aluminum Rectifier PART 3

There he was using ac to condition the plates, but i think it is obvious that pulsed dc would effect the plates as well.

So what is it about this physical change that is so special. John B says that one plate forms a crystaline structure and the other is like an oxide, sounds like a semiconductor to me, a diode that is. We do have semiconductors that can harvest light waves(solor panels). Would it be so hard to believe that maybe we are making a semiconductor that is harvesting radiant energy waves?

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hi sharyn

Thanks for posting that. Doesn't it just make you sick. The CMN has been doing a great job getting the information out there.