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Greenpeace is pretty much a UN propaganda outlet now. Sell-outs.
If someone from this forum is buying, that shows how good their new PR is being accepted.

What will the carbon tax crowd say when we have cars actually running on H2O? Low CO2 car owners now actually don't get to pay road tax in my country. Of course VW makes one VERY expensive Polo that meets the exhaust limit.

Although I'm not a graduate by any stretch, I am into marketing and communication. Contact me if I can be of any assistance. I've given a disclosure such as yours quite a bit of thought.
It requires more than a few days to prepare though. You need good mailing lists of all main stream and smalltime media. The message needs to be well-writted, every word carefully weighed.
I hope you'll manage to disclose in such a manner that an unsuccessful replication is not possible.

Congrats already o what's probably some of the best work ever.
Looking forward to it!

J

Well, if the GEET fuel reactors work as advertised (they have a huge following all over the world), why would something similar not work for plastics? A heat reactor such as GEET's might lighten the elements "meant" for exhaust, and at the same time prep fumes to be more efficiently burnt the first time around.

GEET seems to have been proven to accept thick, unusual fuel sources, and still burn them with low or zero carbon emissions. Naive as I am, I am seeing GEET as a short-term vehicle fuel economy booster, and longer term as wate disposal only.
As plastic burns without added flame, using this heat and energy to create HHO from water, and adding the HHO to the fire, might ensure high enough temperatures to burn the plastics completely, with or without a GEET-like reaction.

Interesting that my stance is so misunderstood. Like I a sukker for the system, while actually I like to think of myself as trying to think free, and not just accept facts as they are presented to me.

Charity is nice and all, but if you start most wars you take part in, and most are about money or oil, you have a bad system. My country reduces the armed forced to a minimum required to defend ourselves, and take part in peace missions. Iraq participaion prety much brought our government down, the people we not in agreement of us just waggling behind the main duck in this.
EU sees US charital work as mostly a porcelain mask, it hides what's beneith. Charity as competition, and image building. And again, war and greed does offset charital work.

While I am the first to indicate fault on the US side, I am not hiding from my own, or my country's. Especially in the past, we were much like the US now. We killed, slaved, sukked out life from the weak. My country is run by people who are poor compared to US senators. One large opposition party even has each nationally working politician transfer back half their salary back into the treasure. They cannot be bribed. Those are patriots to me. And Charlie Sheen, in the most charitable country of the world (if true) is the greatest global patriot I am aware of today. A US citizen is required to bring out in the open evil systems of greed where lives lost are just free change. And 9/11 is just the very tip of the iceberg. It's what all of the world got to see.
I'll tell you something, EU would not accept it from a EU country to fake a terrorist attack like this. Questions would be asked, they would be shouted. And not by untouchable rich and famous actors, but by hard-working politicians, as they actually care, an dtheir agenda is clearly published. Second agenda? Kicked off a party.
I may be a sukker for the sytem, but when I lose my wallet, I hope a politician is walking behind me, as he'll most certainly will track me don't to return the wallet to me. A US politician? Will probably take the money, and give it as a tip to his driver, or put it in his charitable fund. Seems like the same, but it's not.

Oil tax, why not? MY goil was not CO2 reduction. Alternative fuel can do that just as well, at a cost reduction for the consumer (GEET, or secundary HHO on demand sytems). If only 10% of oil goes to the service station, then the careful use of oil will be ensured by the taxes in the industrial sectors. Industy, contrary to consumers, is much more responsive to price fluctuations. What if bread starts costing double tomorrow, do you stop feeding your children, or tell them to eat less? Industry will find a way to use less oil. It's too cheap a resource for what it's used for now.
And in stead of taxing Co2, why not enforce a clean GEET or HHO on demand system? It seems proven by now that it only helps the environment and oil reserves, as well as save money for consumers? Make gas 2x as expensive, and use HHO on demand to get twice your mileage. Win-Win, or what? Industry can do the same trick for many applications, but at such low oil prices, the incentive just isn't there. And, they like dining with Big Oil, as they give such nice parties.

There's a lot I could do to be a better man, for Mother Earth. Already, I chose to not own a car, and use my bike where possible. Else, the train. I try to eat less meat, as it's a big load on resources. The meat I scarcely buy does't have a price component to plant more, new forests with it.
I look for solutions which can better mankind, and promote them when I learn of them. When I see bad behaviour, I try not to copy it, even if it's the natural thing for my personality.
When I need to borrow a car, and fill it up afterwards, I try to not complain about our huge petrol taxes. I try to hope my country is using the taxes to at least keep the streets smooth, clean, and prevent trafic jams. More could and should be done, and that's why I am here, reading, learning. To signal opportunities, and frankly mandatory changes for us to process.
Spreading a word is the most important thing. Once done, acting on it is mandatory. How many Americans realize that somehing dirty was going on at 9/11? What are they doing about it? We get more people on the streets for gay rights or seal clubbing than a 20x larger country gets on the streets for demanding truth about thousands of lives violently lost, by human hands. Makes you think, I hope.

The US is great, but ill. And cannot recover by itself. If you're too proud to ask for help, UN and EU may not get it on their priority list. We just do not want to be bothered by your internal problems, and we hate the extra security checks you folks imposed on us at airports, for false reasons. Security people with brathing masks? Come on! No tooth paste or home made jam on a flight? Come on!
The whole world does not revolve around the USA. Ask Gallileo.

Wait for global trade to ditch the dollar in favor of the EURO or YEN. I hope you've already paid off your mortgage, and brought your kids through education, and secured a second house abroad.

Aah, that clears the mind, a good rant in the morning :-) Thank you for that.

But we disgressed. At what cost should every drop of oil be mined? And what are you prepared to pay for home oil when it reaches the pump?

Ha, we were freed by the allies. For which reasons, and why only then, who'll tell? My country has a history of unrivalled art, trade, and colization. We traded New York for Suriname, as we needed slaves to do our work. We tried to do to South Africa and Indonesia what the US did to The New World, and the Brits to Australia and New Zealand. We kept too many alive (bad soldiers probably), the locals fought back, and later we gave up, back into our little caves in Europe. However, I think we're not pulling on the short stro anymore, and moving somewhere better. Debunked some "moon rock" recently. We dare to differ. We have no big drugs problem, as we've semi-legalized it. Our neighbouring countries, they have drugs problems, and we have some modest trouble from youngsters in speeding cars trying to be smart.
We don't have our 8 y/o playing with leathal guns, as they're simply not allowed to have. Saves a lot of lives, and red mess.
But let's not make this a pissing match (not fair, I'm tall so I can't lose, hey a science fact!).
What I was offering was the suggestion to see the perspective.

If the US need to be freed by Europe this time, US citizen will need to make a sign. The US economy is but a feather balancing on a thin thin wire. It can go either way, left or right. Yet certainly it will go down (excluding some highly unlikely but statistically existent phenomena).

If you need help, ASK for help. If you feel you're in a dictatorship, send a letter to the UN, the EU, etc. Your country is NOT the leader of this world anymore, but we're dealing with you for as long as it's profitable. If the dollar drops even more, we can't even sell cocaine to you anymore, and we might as well get a groom and make things right.
The US didn't come into eternal power when it was founded. The foundations may not have been free of evil, and the foundations may not be strong enough to keep playing with the big shots.
You're a resourceful people, find a way! Go to the streets, demand the 9/11 truth to begin with. EU stations WILL broadcast it.
But be self-critical, and stop doing the long-loved "patriot" game. That word is so dirty, it's getting out of fashion in Europe. Seriously.
A whole dollar for a litre of fuel? Deal with it, or go live in Egypt. It's no secret that the Japanese get further per litre. Oh, and their cars are safer, too. When colliding with a non-American car, a padestrian at least stands a chance of survival. Let go of the EGO.

Who was it that said...It not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for the country. Well, it's a beautiful colorful country, but it's a muppetshow. It's free though, so you're free to live, do better elsewhere. I can offer you a job and healthcare, but gas is well over $2/litre ($8/gallon). VAT is 19%, and everyone gets to pay it. There are bicycle lanes and multiple parties with distincly different views to choose from.And if the nazi's get the most votes, they're going to have to govern together with the socialists, as there's no such thing as absolute majority over here. Too many parties, it's great that way.

You can laugh about Europe and how they "always" need to be saved. Well, did you save Iraq and Afganistan? Vietnam? Why distinct?
If you need saving, do let us know. Else we may be tempted to just divide the pie and toss for it. America once was a great story, now it's a sad story. No better than any other country. You want to be respected? Take the lead in FE, that's be cool. Do a nation-wide boycott of one particular petrol brand for a month each time. See if that doesn't hurt them.
As long as you check into CNN and do the 50/50 vote toss between DEM and REP, you're going to feel meaningless and part of something that was NOT designed to serve it's people.
Maybe we made a very bad deal when we traded NY for Suriname. All the gullable slaves are in NY now. They see a bomb, but when CNN says plane, they believe that. And they support their leader, even if he's an evil idiot. We didn't get that kind of service, at all.

(disclaimer: I am 100% anti-racist and condemn any form of inequality between races. I do provoke discussion and defence by addressing generalities, to get the bottom stone up)

FYI, I work for an American company, and consider many non-coleagues in the US my friends. I am a cyclist, and US cyclists are not typical voters. I know of maybe one proclaimed republican only, like that really matters.

My solution is to direct billions into renewable energy research. Huge oil taxes. We may not have an alternative for our plastics needs.
The new energies used, will dictate new devices. This means production, and jobs. A simple knowledge of business tells you that in case HHO on demand were to be made to work as Stan Meyer supposedly accomplished, tank stations can just sell water along the highway and make the same profits as on petrol now. How much does your local gas station make per litre or gallon, you think. Seriously. They're not called service stations for nothing ;-)

Solution for America : boycott elections where the choice is Rep-Dem. It is not a choice, it's a pseudo-choice. It's a bit of mixing it up at the parliament, nothing more. Find a new voice. Someone who doesn't care for money. Warren Buffett should run for office, and you should elect him. Despite his questionnable relation with Al Gore who after all is questionnable.

So, OIL tax, not carbon tax. And for reasons of it running out, not for insincere global warming concerns. How much tax on a can of sparkle water?

In Berlin 1989, the people took control. They took what what their's: rights, freedom, equality. Against a military power. With bare hands and loud voices.
How many bare hands and loud voices does US have? Did you read your constitution lately? What is it getting you lately?
Why is Charlie Sheen ignored?

Europe for one, is NOT taking the US seriously anymore. It started when Junior was elected (sortof), confirmed when he was re-elected, and every news items further confirms it : you're worse as a government than the Sovjet ever was.

How much fuel do you NEED? Do you NEED to drive a pickup truck to get a bag of groceries? My nation has more bicycles stands at the supermarket (always more than full) than it has parking spaces. And we are by far a richer country. We can afford proper European and Japanese cars, and national mandatory health insurance ;-)

Someone wealthy will need to take the lead, and do everything the government or elite hate them to do. Fund. Preach individualism. Preach health, not consumerism. Wealth through wisedom and love, not mateiral possessions that will be robbed from you in an approaching national crisis anyway.
Be good people. Pay taxes, and make sure they are not spent on nitwits at NASA, an impotent (911) oversized army, and too many politicians that can's spell their own second name, or tell a truth without twitching.

OK, I need to breathe now.

You are US citizen, right? What are you talking about high gas prices? Your country is pretty much subsidizing the fossile fuel users with those rediculow prices.
What is your plan than, use up all the oil you can find, only increasing the chances of needing imported plastics even when you've switched the infrastructure to alternative energy transportation?
HIGH gas prices are in the interest of mother earth, short and long term. Inplicying some form of price elesticity (lower volume sold when price per unit is greater) will save the environment directly. The prospect of expensive gas will get more smart brains on board, installing HHO on demand sytems, or developing better ones themselves. All for the better of the air quality, which your country has not option but to SHARE with the rest of the world. And if you keep making "our" air dirty, when we export fossil fuels to you, we're not going to give you a nice price for it, either.

The way I see it, the US has the LEAST energy efficient vehicles, burning up crazy amounts of fuel, for only 300 million citizen. They get their gas for a song, but complain more than Europeans who DO get to pay lots of taxes to fill up their higher tech, reduced emission vehicles.

See how GM would be coping with gas prices more in line with other western countries. Who knows, you might be able to get some actual funding from corporations to make alternative fuels available. Talk to the largest gas-users. Like air lines, transporters, bus companies. Are they happy to pay what they're paying? HOw much would they invest collectively to promote alternative (clean and cheap) fuel?

What do palellel better than single one, other than add reactor surface?
Longer is what I would expect to work better. Or multiple stages, serial, with its own gasonline/water bubbler ratios. I can imagine that introducing the water only in a later, more refined plasma, state, it would react differently, or more complete. Adding the gasoline later than the water of course would not work, unless we'd already have a HHO on demand system, which would render GEET obsolete other than to dispose of nasty waste.
Yeah, I can see it now...A 2- or 3-stage GEET, starting with the easiest (dirtiest) combustible fuel, and working up to plain tap water, being the largest one. Might need a blower to get it all processed before it hits the engine again :-)

Great advancements seem to be made at creating HHO from water at lower electrical power requirements. If the efficiently of the combustion multiplied by the output power is greater than the power required to make the HHO, the difference will make your engine run, your car drive. That's my simplistic view at least.
But really, first GEET needs to be retrofitted to all petrol-fueled engines in the world. They can remain in operation like this, until HHO on demand becomes plug-and play. GEET's role will then primarily become waste disposal. The reactors seems to turn one element into the other, from harmful to benign. The true potential and power of GEET principle reactors has barely been scratched into, I think. What about multiple-layer reactors rather than just in and out, or onces running at higher temepratures. Who knows, it may turn lead into gold? But that's less important than cleaning up our nuclear waste.

I hope someone taped it to put it available online. I tried the C2C website and had little luck.

While the US is a dangerous place for minds like Pantone, surely the greatest danger must have lifted? His main work has been replicated, a lot, people understand how GEET works, others can take it from here.

Pull over for petrol. "Regular or Super?". You reply: "20% regular and 80% tap water please". "Huh?" "My car likes it that way now".

Better make that "rain water", otherwise tap water prices are bound to shoot up. In Holland, petrol has a color through it, as proof tax was paid. You can't run a car on bottled benzoline from the supermarket, it's cheaper you know. I wonder how the tax office is going to like use of rain water as gas.