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WFC water-capacitor cell model refined with EDL (Randles-cell) capacitance

Chris pushed back on treating the water capacitor as one lumped cap for the design-loop tank math — right call. Physical model is a Randles cell: two capacitances in series — my bulk geometric cap C_geo (tens-to-hundreds of pF, set by rod/tube annulus geometry) and the electrode double-layer cap C_dl at each plate face, sized by the Debye length: C_dl ~ eps*eps0/lambda_D per unit area.

Reveal: lambda_D runs nanometers-to-microns in real water; my plate gap runs millimeters -- three-plus decades apart. Two caps in series are dominated by the SMALLER one, so C_series ~ C_geo to a hair. That is exactly why the pure-pF resonance model held up clean through design sessions v6-v9 without ever carrying C_dl explicitly -- the EDL was there the whole time, just too large (small reactance) to move f_r.

Where it DOES matter: (1) Loss -- C_dl itself is reactive (~1 ohm of capacitive reactance at 50kHz vs C_geo's ~32k ohm), so the real dissipation is not the cap, it is the charge-transfer resistance R_ct and Warburg diffusion impedance riding parallel to it. Inert plates + pure water keep R_ct high, so this leakage path stays small -- but it is a real mechanism, not just bulk water resistance. (2) Step-charge timing -- EDL charging time constant tau_edl ~ lambda_D * L_gap / D lands around 0.5-1s, far longer than a single ~20us drive pulse. The layer cannot fully charge in one pulse; it creeps up over the whole pulse train. Likely part of the slow voltage creep observed building past 1000V during step-charging, and part of what the blocking diode is holding between pulses.

The lever: lambda_D is set by ionic strength. Purer/more inert water gives longer Debye length, smaller C_dl, higher R_ct, longer dielectric relaxation time tau_diel. Every arrow points the same direction -- keep the water clean. That is precisely why #5,149,407 calls for the water capacitor to be "preferably chemically inert."

Net effect on the design-loop numbers: v8's adopted geometry (15.9mm rod/22.3mm tube/101.6mm, C=1.31nF, Q=64.4, f_r=98.33kHz, 773V @ 625.6mA) stands -- the EDL correction to C_series is negligible at this scale separation, so this is not a retraction of v8. Open item, not yet run: fold an explicit C_dl(lambda_D) + R_ct/Warburg branch into the tank-circuit math as v10 and sweep lambda_D from distilled to tap water to see what it does to Q and to the step-charge baseline. Chris asked for the v8 remodel with this in mind -- that numeric pass is still owed, this entry captures the model reasoning behind it.

Basis

Confidence
0.65
Recorded
Published
30 Aug 2026
Device
Water Fuel Cell
Component
cell
Source Ref
US Patents — Process & Apparatus For The Production Of Fuel Gas & The Enhanced Release Of Thermal Energy From Such Gas #5,149,407
Notebook Id
1333
Source Page Id
52

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