Dumas's Sphere: instant water boiler secret now revealed, OU, AND reproducible !!! :)
Started by Bung-ee · · 55 posts · last reply 23 October 2018
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#26 ·
I must admit that I simply ignore how much joules you need to create such void.Tom C wrote:
it lowers the temp required to cause vaporization.
Tom C
However, the Dumas Sphere has been shown , demonstrated and expertized (no secret, no hiding of technology, everything is openly and generously shared for you), the Joules calculations were done and the yield at least 117% (COP1,17). It is said that this figure was the worst case scenario and only partially observed, that it is actually higher. -
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this is a translation I made of the latest post made from the "team o'sharers"* in "downtown France" !
Check , it is just brilliant of intelligence and generosity.
* people having gathered in a profit less organization to widepsread this new "free energy" technology.
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We gathered 60 ... BUT BY A PROMPT RENFORT became 6000 !
We counted on the presence of sixty friends during the evening presentation of the Dumas resonator , on April 7. And we ended up 231 ! Two months later, we had 6,000 friends on Facebook. Astonishing path ... Does the secret of the (media) success of the Dumas effect lie in the magic of this small metal ball with unique electro-physical properties? Or in the fascination that the revolutionary perspective of a easy and verifiable access to the famous OVERUNITY promised by the theory of free energy exerts ? Or in the deeply humanistic approach to its discoverer, who decides to offer humanity his discovery? Maybe all these items at once.
I'm more of a poet than a physicist by training but I must say that beyond all these mentioned, what motivates me now more than ever to support wholeheartedly the Dumas revolution are three elements that occured after the famous April 7, 2014.
Namely: 1 / The suspect rush "high grade" trolls on the FB page.
2 / The absurd attacks.
3 / Direct support by physicists determined to break the silence maintained by the feudal energy organizations of this world.
1 / The rush of trolls:
Expected, it was predictable if not written in advance. What was the least that was the online uprising of some of them as displayed engineers, whose determination to fight Dumas effect left us wondering ... Like many others, I had enrolled on historical or literature forums related to some topics that fascinated me. When I happened to meet a place of expression that I felt not serious or where I felt to totally disagree with, I would quietly leave and hit the road...
If really Dumas effect is a charlots humbug, well, You trollers, please go your route... "It is unnecessary to push a drunkard who will eventually he fall by himself" (Confucius). But then strangely, all these trolls leaders changed multiple times their nicknames to return shortly to the battlefield ever more daring and by all means (parasitizing forums, parasitizing our FB page, created videos or web sites or even a anti-Dumas effect FB page ...). One of them even took the pain of writing a long letter to give a lesson to all editors of newspapers, radio and television who had had the temerity to relay the information of the effect Dumas through their media. Where things got interesting is when a profile study of some of these prolific trolls, we learned that they were ...executives of multinational energy companies ! ...very interesting! ...
2 / The absurd attacks:
Following the example of "Vade Mecum Dumas effect" document that met practical issues of the building of the sphere , we prepare a document "Quid Effect Dumas' that answer - as much as possible - the many rubbish information generated on various forums by " false rumors " apparently specialized in inept or slanderous criticism. You will discover a "blooper" that you can share with a smile if the thing amuses you. We would be crooks? Strange scammers who ask and offer no money sharing the discovery of JC., Liars? What would be the point for us to deceive others? We would be looking to advertise? For what purpose then? Unless be great masochistic what's the point of advertising to appear as impostors? We would finally be illuminated ? Oh , big deal, and of which sect? ... Followers of the rain temple , worshipers of Vishnu or Electricity fairy, unless JC is the avatar of Tesla, reincarnated on earth to accomplish his mission? ... AT the end of the day, excessive criticism becomes ridiculous ...let us move forward.
In passing, I note that the Office of the collective decided to sanctuarize this Facebook page which is a club intended to "friends" of Dumas effect that "like" publications. This is not a forum, there are many others who have blossomed on the web where all the critics / slanderers can spread at leisure. We accept the doubts and criticisms when they are expressed with respect for others but as soon as there is a slippage we delete offensive and banish posts with a "click" ! Besides, the common side of all these "wrongsayers" is that they never write private message or email us, it is always by publications on the wall, so they are clearly visible from all . Well too bad for them, it is easier for us to click on an icon...than for them to re-register again and again "fake FB profiles" to return to the charge ...
3 / most valuable support of physicists:
The most significant for me in the past two months is the rallying, discreet but determined, of several independent researchers, physicists and technicians, employees and retirees of national and international scientific organizations. These not only encourage us to persevere in the spirit of our approach but realize, in their turn, the Dumas sphere effect... on which they perform actions that had never been done before. And the prospects are extremely "promising"! The calculations and experimentation of the Nice report will largely be exceeded in terms of overunity performance when the heat release will be measured in a real calorimeter (without the losses observed in Nice), when stored joules in the ball will be incorporated, the vibration of the resonator , the radiance AND convection incorporated , and finally the production of hydrogen, oxygen and especially HELIUM (apparently important) by a spectrometer , which open dizzying physical perspectives. By the end of the year, things will move ...
You can not reduce the infinite field of the unknown territory known and narrow agreed-upon knowledge that dogmatic minds defend . "There are more things in the universe than our philosophy can imagine ," said Shakespeare. Lavoisier was a great chemist but the laws of thermodynamics date back to the nineteenth ... Today there is no energy crisis, but a crisis of ignorance maintained by the stupid greed of powerful feudal market organisations (oil, nuclear, banking), and sadly the blind submission of States, full-featured lacquais. Rely on those to enhance and develop free energy would be asking a crocodile to open a leather shop ! It is not in their nature to do so. And when we discover that the laboratory researches (i.e. scientific exploration) have been oriented by the economic interests of this world, one can wonder ...
The real energy transition, much talked about at the moment, will BE THAT OF OVERUNITY. The emergence of the latter at the four corners of the planet through sharing and mobilization of all the system -independent researcherswill ring the bell of the old world and the emergence of a new earth. A Gandhian, caring and non-violent revolution is on and nothing will stop it. a drop becomes a wave and a wave transforms inexorably into a flood because "nothing can stop an idea when its time has come" Victor Hugo said. JC, PAC and all the CA group can disappear stupidly in a plane crash, the process will continue and even demultiply because researchers are already experimenting in Canada, Australia, Africa and even China, the famous Effect of Dumas / Davey. They alter the physical characteristics, experimenting different metal alloys (silver / gold), play on frequencies, observe effects and many of them OBSERVE THE OVERUNITY !
Soon new experiments prove conclusively the reality of this access to free energy and this will indeed be a Copernican , scientific, sociological, economic and ultimately political. We will rock you into a new world that can only be better ...
Hi and brotherhood to all the friends of Dumas effect
Pierre Antoine Courouble
President of the Collective for Alternative Energy.
PS: That the members of our association to worry, we have some computer problems but we will soon write to them to thank them for their support and let them share the information we have for them. Thank you for your support. -
#28 ·
I am damned if I can find it.Bung-ee wrote:
All you need to do is to go to the facebook homepage. type "effet dumas".
then look for "dumas effect resonator".
Instead of this time wasting run around, why can you not provide a link directly to where we need to be? -
#29 ·
the first post of this thread is link central....
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#30 ·
....and a right dog's dinner it is. I reckon this is what people need:Tom C wrote:
the first post of this thread is link central....
Tom C
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#31 ·
This "Duma's Effect" is long ago dicovered by 92 years old sax player Peter Davey, and is published in rexresearch since 2008:
So, effect deserves to be after Peter Davey's name.
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#32 ·
Peter Daysh Davey's system is different. The hemispheres (bells) must be tuned accurately to an octave of the mains frequency being used.Kiril_Kirilov wrote:
This "Duma's Effect" is long ago dicovered by 92 years old sax player Peter Davey, and is published in rexresearch since 2008:
So, effect deserves to be after Peter Davey's name.
This idea is interesting; it is like Davey without the tuning, and as such, I doubt it works. But it is worth a try. The problem is that the COP is so marginal that it is well within experimental error, and makes the whole thing a bit pointless. (Who gets out of bed for a COP of 1.17?). It may be that the system can be refined and improved.
You forgot to mention Patrick's book:
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#33 ·
Bung EE,
Sorry for being off topic, it is often my wont even on threads I start myself! This looks like a fascinating development and I hope it has great utility. You know to get to the bottom of this someone should replicate it. I don't know if bench research or more academic work is your forte, but just out of curiosity have you started on a build of the Dumas spheres? I find the idea complicated, if you are putting in effort on this please help the dullards like myself along. -
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wrtner wrote:
I am damned if I can find it.
Instead of this time wasting run around, why can you not provide a link directly to where we need to be? -
#35 ·
hi zpdm (who ever this may be
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yes I have replicated the basis of this, and uploaded 2 youtube videos here
and here
I have of course not evaluated the OU since I trust the people having worked specifically on this. I currently am involved in mastering the effect. I am currently producing more of less of the effect with 400 watts as you will see on the videos. I have no goal, but if I can go along nicely then I may be able to heat my house this winter for those 400 watts i.e. to replicate the inventor's prototype. The inventor said having done so this winter. This project is a nice go-along thing and given that he, and a lot of disinterested people are sharing their experience around it, it's definitely the best almost free energy project I can trust those days, and probably a 2014's "best-of" to heat your house this winter !! Hundreds of people in France are already working on this project...I suggest you to check the web site and the FB page which is even a real time event thing for that project , now.
Greets my watts
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#36 ·
First, you do know that Mr Davey never let it open to the public as how his invention worked.Kiril_Kirilov wrote:
This "Duma's Effect" is long ago dicovered ...
The reverse engineering has been done by various people , and there was never a successful demonstration of a >1 OU nor of a easy prototype or way of builing it fastly, easily, and accurately , nor of a clear demonstration of the principles (or supposed principles ) at work. But you have everything of this in the Dumas's notice, and various Mr Dumas's public demonstrations.
Second, you are detecting apparent (let me stress that word, apparent) similarities with the Dumas's Sphere with what was *understood* of Mr Davey's effect. You are right, those are for instance, the similar shape, the effect of instant boiling, the AC current...which lets both of us wondering.
Third, are you detecting the differences ? They are : the perfect sphere shape in Jean Christophe's design, the space of 1,62 millimeters of the sphere and the half sphere, the AC is 220v / 50 hz or 60 hz (or around that value). Those differences just are central to Jean-Christophe 's design.
Nothing is stealed or robbed, the mind thinks robbery and robberies are then seen. Jean-Christophe has never been knowing about the Dumas effect (you are even been more informed than he ever was when he worked on the effect) as he has revealed recently, and I personally fully trust him. -
#37 ·
Clever post, wrtner !!
I personally would flee off that thing, as looking too scaringly difficult to be correctly built. In a humble comparison I say that's miles away from the simple, breeze design of Mr Dumas.wrtner wrote:
The hemispheres (bells) must be tuned accurately to an octave of the mains frequency being used.[/url]
I am not aware that anybody got the Daveys replications to work, since the tuning was itself backward-engineered , with suppositions.wrtner wrote:
This idea is interesting; it is like Davey without the tuning, and as such, I doubt it works.
The experiments have been done several times with several "testifiers", and always demonstrated in the OU ; only the last one in Nice in september 2013 was put "money on" to bring in physicists and a thermician and public attorney to have something to show with calculations.wrtner wrote:
The problem is that the COP is so marginal that it is well within experimental error, and makes the whole thing a bit pointless. (Who gets out of bed for a COP of 1.17?).
If you have something so easy to build and having a better COP, then please share it... -
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I don't think he ever pretended that he knew.Bung-ee wrote:
First, you do know that Mr Davey never let it open to the public as how his invention worked.
He was a fighter pilot in the war and noticed that if he dived his Hurricane and could create certain rattles and frequencies, a strange warmth filled the cockpit which was not explainable. After the war, he tried numerous experiments to replicate the effect and ended up with the realisation that a device based on two bicycle bells worked. Then he realised that bicycle bells rang at near G sharp four octaves above that of his native mains frequency. (How on earth the Hurry heated up was never explained and I don't think his discovery was either. I reckon cavitation is in there somewhere and I think I have noticed cavitation mentioned in connection with Dumas also). People have quoted a COP of 8. The problem is that most are scared rigid by the idea of plunging mains voltage into water and do not believe it could ever be a commercial product. (TEPCO might take it on - they like sticking their heads into a tiger's mouth).
i think the Dumas device is well worth trying but a COP of 1.17 is inside experimental error. -
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Is there a difference between how to produce an effect you don't necessarily understand and nevertheless share its motus operandi with others , and describe a phenomena with a theory...mind ; theories have a life span. Experience does not everwrtner wrote:
I don't think he ever pretended that he knew.
BTW, thanks for sharing his personal life; I was not aware of this. -
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No, but in post 36, you say he didn't understand the effect - as if this was an issue. You are right; it doesn't matter.Bung-ee wrote:
Is there a difference between how to produce an effect you don't necessarily understand...
Th reason I would like to see more work done on the Dumas is because, if it works with a COP out of the range of experimental error, then what will happen if the Dumas is tuned as the Davey is tuned? The COP may sky rocket. This exercise will be tricky because the sphere is likely to have a resonant frequency considerably different to the hemisphere - but it might be possible to get dramatic improvements in COP. -
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wrtner, you are so right ! I welcome you to join on the ride.
The inventor says that you just need to link multiple spheres to multiply the OU. I am not quite sure what he means by that, but I am going to do it. First to make a few spheres and then chain link , and observe, both the consumption, and the output.
I would hope the output would be multiplied but the consumption, not. Let's say the inventor will clarify that.
I remeber that he states that clearly a chain of spheres would be able to replace whole nuclear plants at once, with 1,000 of spheres, so I believe taht's really what's going on here ! And that would be HH-OOO-TT !
For the OU 1.17 in the field of experiemental error, I would not hit that road again, because 1,17 has been the least -least observation they made. I would say that this 1,17 is what they observed, having stripped out the observational noise error, but I admit this is what I feel about it. I get this flavor of course because I have read so many replies from the inventor in french on the FB page, and his coworkers.
Anyway, I am trusting the whole demonstration as to have been made by true thermodynamics physicists as being way more competent than me; so to me I consider ex ante that the 1,17 is the point of start. You can of course prefer the prudent way. -
#42 ·
This is not about thermo. It is very basic schoolboy physics. It is easy -very easy. We need to know the volume of water, starting temp, finishing temp, voltage and current and time.Bung-ee wrote:
Anyway, I am trusting the whole demonstration as to have been made by true thermodynamics physicists...
What should not be done is to reckon that the voltage is the regular 220v when, in actuality, on the day, it might have been 240v. The COP of 1.17 would be made a mockery by such an error. I will try and find my Davey spreadsheet and post it. -
#43 ·
I have my doubts as to whether this is really about the amount of voltage hitting the sphere + half sphere combination. Might it not be more to do with the voltage supplied is arriving as AC?
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#44 ·
Hi Folks,
I was stumbling by accident of this thread, and was wondering if this is not warmup of a invention from a New Zealand Feller, who was struggling his whole life to get a patent for his invention but it was never granted to him.
But may look for your self!
Love and Light
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#45 ·
Peter Daysh Davey was awarded a New Zealand patent, back in the 60s, I think. The basis of his invention is the tuning of the bells to the fr3quency (usually an octave of it) of the mains AC voltage. There are all sorts of reasons why this might work.BrandNewWorld wrote:
Hi Folks,
I was stumbling by accident of this thread, and was wondering if this is not warmup of a invention from a New Zealand Feller, who was struggling his whole life to get a patent for his invention but it was never granted to him.
The Dumas idea seems to be Davey without the tuning. -
#46 ·
YEs, AC. DC does not produce the effect, as per Jean-Christophe Dumas.bob smith wrote:
I have my doubts as to whether this is really about the amount of voltage hitting the sphere + half sphere combination. Might it not be more to do with the voltage supplied is arriving as AC?
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#47 ·
You are right, Dumas 's Sphere and Peter Davey 's have *some* similarities.bob smith wrote:
Hi Folks,
I was stumbling by accident of this thread, and was wondering if this is not warmup of a invention from a New Zealand Feller, who was struggling his whole life to get a patent for his invention but it was never granted to him.
But may look for your self!
Love and Light
BNW -
#48 ·
A patent for Mr Davey would have allowed people to compare the two systems, which have similarities. But such plans were never disclosed, nor a patent. However, it it false to say one is inspired by the other, since Mr Dumas has never been aware of Mr Davey's about his own invention. His invention has been disclosed to the public to make it non pantentable, to avoid its suppression, as for many others in the past, and to drive the world to a new Paradigm; which comprises the desalinization of sea water. As such, all technical details have been *offered for free* to you...wrtner wrote:
Peter Daysh Davey was awarded a New Zealand patent, back in the 60s, I think. The basis of his invention is the tuning of the bells to the fr3quency (usually an octave of it) of the mains AC voltage. There are all sorts of reasons why this might work.
The Dumas idea seems to be Davey without the tuning.
And the two systems have similarities ; like the two D of their respective inventors... -
#49 ·
New Zealand Patent No. 92428.Bung-ee wrote:
But such plans were never disclosed, nor a patent -
#50 ·
AWEsome contribution !wrtner wrote:
New Zealand Patent No. 92428.
If I can understand that those
courageous and curious contributors did NOT even have access to this patent document at the time !
This is Peter Davey's hard to find New Zealand patent 92428 for his immersion boiler.
However it appears somewhat different from the ball system we all saw on the videos...
Anyway, that is really highly contributing...thanks for sharing...Werner !!
